PLAN SCS Bases/Islands/Vessels (Not a Strategy Page)

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
Blackstone...I am intentionally not going into the details of what will ultimately be a political debate.

SD is not a political forum.

This thread is not a place for a US political debate about it.

Now, in the world/public, that debate is going to happen...my guess is aspects of it will occur in the run up to the 2016 election.

But SD is not the place for it.

FON and its application is something that should not be political. It is what it is.

Improving your own holding in the SCS as China is doing is not something that should be political either. it is what it is and is very straight forward.

Neither of those has to tell on primacy. China can improve it holdings and positions in the SCS without the US being pushed out of the picture. The US can conduct straight forward FON without pushing China back into any kind of bottle.

As I have said over and over, as long as that happens (on both sides) there is no need for, and IMHO will not be any, conflict over it.

Some politicians and fire brands (on both sides) may want to push it to that level of confrontation...but my whole point is that it does not need to.

Finally....

This thread is also not a strategy thread. These discussions are about strategies and policies.

This thread is supposed to be about the SCS Islands and Bases for China and how they are improving them.

Take strategy to either the Chinese Strategy thread, or the SCS Other Nation Strategy Page.

Any more strategy oriented discussion here will be deleted.

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ahojunk

Senior Member
Okay, now back on topic.

A bit of nostalgia. The following picture shows the 7 reefs/islands before reclamation started. They are shown in their relative sizes (to scale). How things have changed!

If China chooses, they can further develop Chigua (Johnson South) and Huayang (Cuateron). I think it's only a matter of time.

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weig2000

Captain
Okay, now back on topic.

A bit of nostalgia. The following picture shows the 7 reefs/islands before reclamation started. They are shown in their relative sizes (to scale). How things have changed!

If China chooses, they can further develop Chigua (Johnson South) and Huayang (Cuateron). I think it's only a matter of time.

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Developing these islands/reefs costs money, a lot of them. The three currently under construction were picked thoughtfully, IMO. There is no need to invest to build the other four to the same scale; no ROI there.
 

mr.bean

Junior Member
Developing these islands/reefs costs money, a lot of them. The three currently under construction were picked thoughtfully, IMO. There is no need to invest to build the other four to the same scale; no ROI there.

According to Taiwan pundits they think each of these islands will cost approx US$5 billion each, that's including everything from reclamation to infrastructure building to equipment that will be installed. I don't know how credible these numbers are but it's interesting perspective from Taiwan.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
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Reclamation work and the building of three airfields and other facilities on some of China's artificial islands in the Spratly archipelago has alarmed the region and raised concern in Washington that China is extending its military reach deep into maritime Southeast Asia.

But China was the real victim as it had "dozens" of its islands and reefs in the Spratlys illegally occupied by three of the claimants, Chinese Vice Foreign Minister Liu Zhenmin told a news conference in Beijing.
"The Chinese government has the right and the ability to recover the islands and reefs illegally occupied by neighboring countries," Liu said.

"But we haven't done this. We have maintained great restraint with the aim to preserve peace and stability in the South China Sea."
 

Blackstone

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Three notable Western security experts, covering the range of "China can't rise peacefully" (John Mearsheimer), "Meet China Halfway" (Lyle Goldsetin), and "The China Choice" (Hugh White) in various speeches and presentations highlighted the very point that current SCS tensions were initiated by small powers (somewhere around 2010) to ensnare Washington in the on-going sovereign disputes. The reason they give is everyone knows time is on Beijing's side and if smaller powers don't force the issue early, China would dominate the SCS in another decade or two, similar to the way US dominates the Greater Caribbean. I think the three gentlemen are spot on.
 

joshuatree

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So it appears wave farms will be part of the power supply equation on those features.

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China plans to build electricity-generating wave farms near remote islands in the South China Sea, where it is engaged in territorial disputes with several of its neighbours, to mitigate the threat of a power blackout hitting its military radars there, according to researchers involved in the project.

These giant floating power stations are expected to significantly strengthen the nation’s foothold in the disputed waters.

A full-scale unit, about half the size of a soccer field, was deployed for a test run in waters off the Wanshan archipelago near the city of Zhuhai in Guangdong province earlier this month, said the researchers at the Chinese Academy of Sciences’ Guangzhou Institute of energy Conversion.

Using cutting-edge mechanical designs, the generator will efficiently transform the constant movement of the sea water into electricity and stay in operation on windless days and also in the face of a super-typhoon, they said.

China’s breakneck rush to build civilian and military facilities in these seas has stretched its power supply chain in recent years. One of the biggest headaches has proven to be keeping the country’s larger-than-ever radar network in constant operation.

“Military radars are power-hungry beasts that must be fed all the time,” said one researcher, who declined to be named due to the sensitivity of the issue.

“Sending fossil fuels to remote islands is costly and time-consuming. The shipping can also be affected easily by bad weather or unfriendly neighbours,” the researcher added.

More power is needed for the radar to cast its net wider. When operating at full power to get a bead on a distant fighter jet or unknown object, an early warning system may require thousands of kilowatts of energy - tantamount to the total demand of 1,000 average households in the United States.

Conventional renewable energy sources are not suitable for small islands, the researchers said.

Most lack sufficient land area for the installation of solar power panels, which at any rate are usually quickly compromised by faecal matter from birds, the team said.

Moreover, wind turbines cannot generate a stable enough energy supply, and their performance is also severely affected by the weather.

The unit that was tested is among the largest power-generating machines of its kind in the world, capable of churning out in excess of 200 kilowatts.

Similar power buoys deployed in the US and Australia have shown peak power outputs of around 150kw. The largest single wave energy convertor to date was a prototype deployed at a wave farm in Portugal, which recorded 750kw.

But the new Chinese generator can survive even the most extreme weather conditions, the researchers said.

In the event of a typhoon, it would automatically partially submerge, leaving only a small area on the surface to avoid damage caused by strong winds.

The unit is not anchored to the ocean bed, which allows it to move freely amid strong waves.

The design, which resembles half a submarine, has performed well. A smaller 10-kw prototype even survived Typhoon Haiyan in the South China Sea two years ago. The typhoon claimed over 6,000 lives in the Philippines.

The machine continued generating power during the typhoon even after most of it was submerged, the researchers said.

The wave farms that are planned have a flexible capacity with room to grow as more converters can be added later to meet demand.

The electricity will be channelled to nearby islands using underwater cables.

The enormous power requirements of military radar facilities means they cannot operate on a full-time basis with a large and stable energy supply, so using sea waves to provide power is a logical solution, said Li Ming. The professor of radar technology works at the National Lab of Radar Signal Processing in Xidian University, Xi’an in northwestern Shaanxi province.

But Li doubted whether a wave farm would fully satisfy demand.

“A warning radar consumes far more than 200kw of power,” he said.

Another problem is the cost of such an operation. A wave farm needs many power-generating units to form a grid for maximum output.

But those who field-tested the single unit recently said it cost nearly 20 million yuan (US$3.13 million) to design and build.
 
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