A rather dicey encounter between a US P-8 and what I assume to be a land-based radar platform(at least thats what the US military captain says in the video)on one of the reclaimed islands. You can get a good look at the progress of reclamation in the video.Also, now its likely that they have started deploying military radars on the islands(at least radars capable of detecting the P-8).
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A rather dicey encounter between a US P-8 and what I assume to be a land-based radar platform(at least thats what the US military captain says in the video)on one of the reclaimed islands. You can get a good look at the progress of reclamation in the video.Also, now its likely that they have started deploying military radars on the islands(at least radars capable of detecting the P-8).
This is an amazing video.
Whatever you may think of such a mission...where else could we get such views of the ongoing work there, and the US assets monitoring it?
I am surprised that they were allowed aboard and to post videos of this detail. Analysts will have a field day with this info. Typical of this administration's misadventures IMHO.
Just the same, I would urge everyone to watch this:
Seeing this reclamation effort from these surveillance videos is awesome. Seeing the inside of the Poseidon like this is awesome (if crazy), hearing the Chinese controllers warning the aircraft...seeing the structures going up on Fiery Cross and Mischief Reef.
Simply amazing.
Whatever you may think of such a mission...where else could we get such views of the ongoing work there, and the US assets monitoring it?
I am surprised that they were allowed aboard and to post videos of this detail. Analysts will have a field day with this info. Typical of this administration's misadventures IMHO.
Just the same, I would urge everyone to watch this:
Seeing this reclamation effort from these surveillance videos is awesome. Seeing the inside of the Poseidon like this is awesome (if crazy), hearing the Chinese controllers warning the aircraft...seeing the structures going up on Fiery Cross and Mischief Reef.
Simply amazing.
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Blackstone
Brigadier
Great videos and the P-8 is fantastic! It looks to me the two militaries conducted business in professional manners, and CNN purposely made a mountain out of a molehill.
joshuatree
Captain
From the article/video, below is what I got as the warnings. Doesn't appear the Chinese are claiming sovereign airspace or territory, rather an alert zone.
Blackstone
Brigadier
It's how liberal, muckraking Lame Stream Media operates. Par for the course.
Well Brazil does say "in particular" regarding live fire but also includes "military manoeuvres". The use of "in particular" suggests to me that live fire exercises is a specific concern but broadly in principle it think one would be hard pressed to say they're not advocating a coastal nation's ability to regulate foreign military vessels entering their EEZ at the coastal natiok's discretion.
But my post wasn't meant to discuss Brazils specific stance on the matter but rather that there does seem to be a meaningful number of coastal nations who seem to believe foreign military vessels should be subject to a degree of regulation in their EEZ, while the US and other nations position seems to be (from what I can see); military vessels can transit, train, survey or conduct any kind of operations within another nations EEZ and no right for that nation to have any say.
shen
Senior Member
I'm going to reply to Blackstone and Jeff together.
The central problem with the American position is that the US is not a party to UNCLOS but attempt to benefit from UNCLOS, refuse to action through UNCLOS institutions to resolve differences with countries (as it advice Philippine to do), instead use unilateral military actions (Freedom of Navigation Program) to try to enforce its unilateral interpretation of international laws. In essence, the US is acting as plaintiff, prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner all by itself!
American vs Chinese difference in interpretation of EEZ regulation is just one of many dispute the US have with numerous countries in the world, as I have shown in my previous post. Even if we overlook the larger picture of American disputes with the world, and just restrict ourselves to EEZ disputes, China is not alone in the world.
As everyone can see, India, which the US frequently bring up the antithesis of China, has the exact same position as China. While, Philippines, an ally of the US, go a step further to forbid all research and survey within its EEZ. If you go back to Panasian's post in the SCS stragety thread, you'll see that ironically the US unilaterally challenged Philippines claim more than any other countries, including China.
While China reject the authority of UNCLOS in its dispute with Philippines specifically due to the unresolved territorial dispute which is outside the jurisdiction of UNCLOS, the US rejects the authority of UNCLOS entirely, and attempt to enforce its own interpretation of international laws through military muscle alone. That's the problem with an unipolar world.
The central problem with the American position is that the US is not a party to UNCLOS but attempt to benefit from UNCLOS, refuse to action through UNCLOS institutions to resolve differences with countries (as it advice Philippine to do), instead use unilateral military actions (Freedom of Navigation Program) to try to enforce its unilateral interpretation of international laws. In essence, the US is acting as plaintiff, prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner all by itself!
American vs Chinese difference in interpretation of EEZ regulation is just one of many dispute the US have with numerous countries in the world, as I have shown in my previous post. Even if we overlook the larger picture of American disputes with the world, and just restrict ourselves to EEZ disputes, China is not alone in the world.
As everyone can see, India, which the US frequently bring up the antithesis of China, has the exact same position as China. While, Philippines, an ally of the US, go a step further to forbid all research and survey within its EEZ. If you go back to Panasian's post in the SCS stragety thread, you'll see that ironically the US unilaterally challenged Philippines claim more than any other countries, including China.
While China reject the authority of UNCLOS in its dispute with Philippines specifically due to the unresolved territorial dispute which is outside the jurisdiction of UNCLOS, the US rejects the authority of UNCLOS entirely, and attempt to enforce its own interpretation of international laws through military muscle alone. That's the problem with an unipolar world.
Blackstone
Brigadier
What does signing or not signing UNCLOS have do with military operations off the coasts of [fill in nation]? US patrolled all over the world before UNCLOS ever existed, and its position has been consistent over the years. UNCLOS isn't the crux of the argument.
Even if you ignore that part of his position, I think his evidence does show quite a wide support among many coastal states seeking to assert greater control over their EEZ in terms of requiring consent before foreign military vessels, activity of such vessels and/or any kind of surveying of their EEZ waters for foreign vessels of any kind (which I assume to be including military vessels)
... Unless anyone else has counter documents.
I look forward to a reply by Jeff on this matter, very interesting stuff.