PLAN overseas deployment and excercises a list

Jeff Head

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Interesting they did cross decking and that Russian bear looks huge
The Petr Velikiy is huge, Asif. 28,000 ton displacement versus 4,000 tons for the Type 054A FFG.

It was the last of the Kirov class and was not outfitted until ten years after launch and so receioved a much more modern weapons and sensor fit. A very heavily armed vessel, both offensively and defensively. It has six full Kashtin CIWS installations!

The Russians have finally started the refit/upgrade of a second Kirov now, Admiral Nakhimov.

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The Petr Velikiy and the Admiral Nakhimov will, in all likilihhod be the only two of the four that are maintained go forward. The other two, as I understand it, are just in too bad a shape to warrant the cost to completely refurbish them. So they will have Kirov Class one for the Northern Fleet )Petr Velikiy) and one for thje Pacific Fleet (Admiral Nakhimov).
 
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asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
Do you know what I was thinking about these ships from the time of the Soviet Union, they must have been menacing vessels for NATO when they first appeared even today they can cast a towering shadow over many countries in the world; imagine one appearing off the coast of a nation big big message

Soviet Union in the 1980s really embarked on a huge naval expansion programme remnants can still be found in modern large navys of China and India today

The programme looked like this

DDG
Udaloy I/II Class 13 examples were built ~7,000 tons

Cruisers
Slava Class 4 launched ~12,000 tons and I believe one is available to look at in Google earth at Mykolaiv the last unfinished unit

Battle cruisers
Kirov Class 4 launched ~28,000 tons

Then they had the flat tops

2 x Moskav Class ~18,000 tons
4 x Kiev Class ~45,000 tons
2 x Kuznetsov ~65.000 tons
1 x Ulyanovsk unfinished but ~85,000 tons

Imagine a Soviet Naval group around say

4 x Udaloy Class
1 x Slava Class
1 x Kirov Class
2 x Kiev Class
1 x Kuznetsov Class
And let’s throw in the Ulyanovsk for fun! 10 warships over 300,000 tons of heavy warships

I reckon they could re-activate all four of the Kirov Battle cruisers and finish off the 4th Slava Class Cruisers if they had the resources and finances that would give 8 very heavy warships

Add in 4 Mistral Class and a re-furbished Kuznetsov with Mig-29K and you have a pretty good fleet there
 

snake65

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You forgot to add about 15 Sovremenny class DDGs and Ulyanovsk also would have had a sister.
 

kwaigonegin

Colonel
Don't forget the Krivak frigates a well. They were very capable frigtes of their time and the Soviet Navy had over 3 dozen of them. I think a few are still operational today.
 

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
You forgot to add about 15 Sovremenny class DDGs and Ulyanovsk also would have had a sister.

Really a second Ulyanovsk was planned? I would not be suprised but I have never read anything saying so I know the first was like 50% complete when the USSR collapsed

Also I believe I have seen pic at the height of Soviet carrier building when then Varyag was pictured with the Kuznetsov in the background

On a side note maybe mods can move the last few posts into the Russian news thread as this is PLAN deployemnts thread
 

Jeff Head

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Well, after completing exerises and visits to PLAN bases in the South China Sea, and then conducting exercises in the East Indian Ocean, the PLAN Type 071 LPD, Changbai Shan 989, and two of her escorts, the PLAN DDG-171, Haikou, and PLAN DDG-169, Wuhan, moved into the Western Pacific Ocean for more exercises via the Lombok Strait, Makassar Strait and the Sulawesi Sea.

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PLAN Type 071 LPD, Changbai Shan 989

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PLAN Type 052C DDG, Haikou 171

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PLAN Type 052B DDG, Wuhan 169

People's Daily Online said:
ABOARD CHANGBAISHAN, Feb. 3 -- A flotilla with China's Nanhai Fleet entered the West Pacific Ocean on Monday to start a drill there after exercises in the Indian Ocean.

The three-ship flotilla consists of amphibious landing craft Changbaishan and destroyers Wuhan and Haikou, according to military sources.

After reaching the Indian Ocean on Jan. 29, the ships conducted 10 exercises including anti-pirate, joint search and rescue as well as damage control drills.

Exercises based on defense and settlement of emergencies were also conducted to test the command system's response and soldiers' combat skills.

Changbaishan is the country's largest landing ship by gross tonnage and is equipped with an advanced weapons system. Both Wuhan and Haikou have experience of major drills and escort missions in the Gulf of Aden.

The flotilla passed along the Lombok Strait, Makassar Strait and the Sulawesi Sea to enter the West Pacific Ocean according to the drill plan.
 
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People's Daily Online said:
A taskforce under the command of the PLA Navy South China Sea Fleet conducts force on force, manuevering, and relief training far off the Chinese coastline. (Photo/Navy.81.cn)

The taskforce is composed of an amphibious dock landing ship, the Type 071 LPD, Changbai Shan 989 , a guided missile destroyer, the Type 052C, Haikou, 171, another guided missile destroyer, the Type 052B, Wuhan, 169, and three helicopters and an Landing Craft Air Cusion (LCAC). The group is crossing the Sunda Strait, the Lombok Strait, and the Makassar Strait during the training which started on Jan. 20, 2014.

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antiterror13

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RAAF monitored Chinese military exercise in waters between Christmas Island and Indon

It is indeed a very interesting development. Also interesting to see Indonesia Govt allows Chinese navy to sail through its territorial sea (Sunda strait is well within Indonesian territorial sea). Perhaps to send a strong message to Australia


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The RAAF monitored an unprecedented and unannounced exercise involving three Chinese warships in international waters to the north of Australia, it has emerged.

The unusual naval exercise late last week is considered to have been a deliberate and provocative move by the Chinese that will send a clear message to the region.

For the first time, the Chinese navy sent warships sailing through the Sunda Strait between the Indonesian islands of Java and Sumatra.

The ships travelled along the southern edge of Java, close to Christmas Island, and then through the Lombok Strait between Lombok and Bali.

The move is considered to be an unprecedented show of military might by the Chinese, and will have a significant impact on security and strategic policy settings for Australia and our regional neighbours, particularly Indonesia and India.

Analysts believe that by sending ships through the region in such a fashion, Beijing is making it clear that it now considers the Indian Ocean a strategic priority.

They believe it signals that China will deploy its military to protect its interests in the region if needed.

Foreign Affairs Minister Julie Bishop has told Australia Network that "China is an emerging power in our region and globally".

"These exercises are taking place in international waters and Australia conducts similar exercises in international waters," she said.

"The Chinese navy is growing commensurate with the increasing size and strength of the Chinese economy and its place in the region, its place in the globe.

"So, the fact that the Chinese navy's conducting exercises in international waters is not a matter that I would raise with my counterpart because, as I say, Australia does similarly.

"The United States has long been the single greatest power in the Pacific, in Asia, in fact globally. But we recognise that there are other countries that are emerging as stronger economies, other countries are building up their militaries. Japan is also redefining its defence stance. So we are in a very different world, it's a changing landscape, and our foreign policy must be flexible enough and nimble enough to recognise that changing landscape."
 

Preux

Junior Member
Re: RAAF monitored Chinese military exercise in waters between Christmas Island and I

The unusual naval exercise late last week is considered to have been a deliberate and provocative move by the Chinese that will send a clear message to the region.

Gotta love journalistic integrity and editorial slant. You have this as a subtitle... with nothing of substance to back it up... and then this from Julie Bishop:

"So, the fact that the Chinese navy's conducting exercises in international waters is not a matter that I would raise with my counterpart because, as I say, Australia does similarly.

It's like they are not even trying anymore.
 

port_08

Junior Member
Re: RAAF monitored Chinese military exercise in waters between Christmas Island and I

It is indeed a very interesting development. Also interesting to see Indonesia Govt allows Chinese navy to sail through its territorial sea (Sunda strait is well within Indonesian territorial sea). Perhaps to send a strong message to Australia

This is where Indonesia might allow Chinese forces as balancer. We will see more of such exercises, there could a future Chinese carrier transiting such strait more often.

China navy is becoming more and more capable. More destroyers, frigates and probably a couple of cruisers coming soon. What a good time for increase naval defense budget for all...
 
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