PLAN close in weapon
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This monster, by itself, would jaw drop even the most hard core gun-nuts in NRA.
this is a class by itself. this is pure awesomeness.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
A larger cal might also be useful for deploying smart munitions for future improvements. But it should extend the effective range of the CIWS in the short term. And yes, more barrels will allow the gun to fire longer before overheating as there are more barrels to distribute the net heat generated between.
It would be interesting to know the dimentions of the new gun compared to the old. It should certainly be useable on the 052C, and might even fit fine
on the 054As, it would be interesting to see which guns the new built 052Cs will use. My guess would be these as well, since it would be a bit unusual to develop a new gun for just a single ship.
Future LD2000 versions should also be able to make use of this new gun. It is even possible this gun stemmed from LD2000 develops, since and LD2000 tasked with sth like airfield defense (or the defense or any large area target) could use all the range it can get to minimise the number of units needed to defend the objective.
It would be interesting to know the dimentions of the new gun compared to the old. It should certainly be useable on the 052C, and might even fit fine
on the 054As, it would be interesting to see which guns the new built 052Cs will use. My guess would be these as well, since it would be a bit unusual to develop a new gun for just a single ship.
Future LD2000 versions should also be able to make use of this new gun. It is even possible this gun stemmed from LD2000 develops, since and LD2000 tasked with sth like airfield defense (or the defense or any large area target) could use all the range it can get to minimise the number of units needed to defend the objective.
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Red___Sword
Junior Member
I am not sure how EXACTLY they are going to sink the heat of the WHOLE THING, so I used more safer words of "BIGGER ASS HEAT SINKER", which did not necessary implying each barrel, but the WHOLE THING.
I try not making common-sense mistakes by using safer terms (by my own understanding) - the point is, the "11 barrels, 10K rpm" monster - is a huge TECHNOLOGY LEAP first and for most; it is an awesome MILITARY PRODUCT then.
I really hope the "76mm tank gun tech Vs. 120mm tank gun tech", gives clue of what I MEANT TO SAY.
Regarding the prediction of smaller ship would or would not equipt this monster - I vote for NO. This monster is ONLY suitable for carrier and other BIG SHIP like LDs and Hospital ship and supplier ship...
Martian
Senior Member
Re: China's Type 1030 CIWS fires over 10,000 rounds/min.
"Marchpole" can read the information published by Chinese sources: company sales publications, interviews with government officials or the military, interviews with the company, interviews with the engineers, interviews with the operators, etc. Marchpole is a very reliable source. If he's willing to stand behind a factual claim, I have found no reason to disagree with him.
"Marchpole" can read the information published by Chinese sources: company sales publications, interviews with government officials or the military, interviews with the company, interviews with the engineers, interviews with the operators, etc. Marchpole is a very reliable source. If he's willing to stand behind a factual claim, I have found no reason to disagree with him.
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Re: China's Type 1030 CIWS fires over 10,000 rounds/min.
I think it might even have 12 barrel. If look at the hexagon structure it's approx. 2 barrel per side.
What if it's simply two weapon sharing the same 12 barrel set but firing two rounds at the same time, ie diagonally opposite each other?
This means that the new 12 barrel weapon can fire at twice the rate of a six-barrel weapon, while having half the rotational rate and the same cooling time for each barrel before next firing
China's Type 1030 CIWS fires over 10,000 rounds/min.
[Note: Thank you to Marchpole for the post.]
I think it might even have 12 barrel. If look at the hexagon structure it's approx. 2 barrel per side.
What if it's simply two weapon sharing the same 12 barrel set but firing two rounds at the same time, ie diagonally opposite each other?
This means that the new 12 barrel weapon can fire at twice the rate of a six-barrel weapon, while having half the rotational rate and the same cooling time for each barrel before next firing
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Engineer
Major
Re: China's Type 1030 CIWS fires over 10,000 rounds/min.
Some guy on a Chinese board with inside information says this has 11 barrels.
I am thinking along the same line. Instead of having two sets of barrels, you merge them together into one. Assuming rotation rate is still the same, you now have a weapon that can fire twice as fast.
Low IQ
Banned Idiot
Re: China's Type 1030 CIWS fires over 10,000 rounds/min.
Twin barrels firing?
Correct me if I am wrong, Wouldn't that create aim point problem?
For example :
Parallel :
Focal :
Also, 11 or 12 barrels design - wouldn't it be too heavy? thus it would either have to sacrifice barrel length (twice shorter barrel length, and thus accuracy) or less maneuverable (being twice heavier than normal 6 barrels CIWS) thus less effective against highly agile supersonic maneuverable targets?
Lastly, twin barrels firing at the same time wouldn't it also create a massive recoil (further reducing the accuracy)?
Twin barrels firing?
Correct me if I am wrong, Wouldn't that create aim point problem?
For example :
Parallel :
Focal :
Also, 11 or 12 barrels design - wouldn't it be too heavy? thus it would either have to sacrifice barrel length (twice shorter barrel length, and thus accuracy) or less maneuverable (being twice heavier than normal 6 barrels CIWS) thus less effective against highly agile supersonic maneuverable targets?
Lastly, twin barrels firing at the same time wouldn't it also create a massive recoil (further reducing the accuracy)?
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kwaigonegin
Colonel
since ammo storage is housed within the gun chassis itself, at 10,000 rpm it's going to take just just a few seconds to exhaust all the rounds. For comparison sake the ammo drum on Phalanx stores 'only' 1500 rounds or about 20 seconds worth at maximum rate.
Assuming similar size drum it would take less than 7 seconds before it's empty.
Assuming similar size drum it would take less than 7 seconds before it's empty.
Red___Sword
Junior Member
Please "reassure" us that you are not refering the "top cylinder" part of Phalanx, when you talking the "ammo drum". (Cause it's not)
Phalanx uses under belly ammo transit mechnism, though I am not sure how much exactly Phalanx rounds carries normally, but I am pretty weired if our beloved BP has served aboard ships that can only provide 20-seconds-worthy of "Close IN Sheild" to her crew.
BP, care to clarify?
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