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darth sidious

Banned Idiot
Finn McCool said:
Look Darth, I wasn't saying it was easy. I was just saying that both nations could survive a blockade and the other economic blow they could throw at each other. And are you suggesting that with what the Chinese have left after fighting the US they can blockade, well, lets see...BASICALLY THE WHOLE WORLD? As I said, the Germans tried a submairne blockade with an INTACT force in only the North Atlantic and failed. And remember, the US still has access, compete unfettered access to all the oil it needs. China will be getting what it needs through a few pipelines. These cross quite a few nations. Each one is a chance for the flow to be turned off.

Look...I'm not saying it would be easy. It could cause worldwide depression. But I think that in a situation like this the US has some big advantages.
If you had actually read my post you would see that I was saying that China has some big advantages too. Basically my arguement is that blockade and economic war would not bring this war to a conclusion.

Sorry for the double post.
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in short term there will be no shortage of oil for china she can increase production in her own oil fiel buy from Russia and rely and stocked reserve

during the battle the odds are usuely

100 allied sailor VS 1 u-boat crew

10 escorts+5 aircraft VS 1 u-boat

its inpossible for US to achive this kind of superiorty right now. or establish establish a convey system in time

also with out convey escort are preety much useless in protecting merchant ship.
 
PiSigma

PiSigma

"the engineer"
think you guys are thinking not outside the box yet.. don't just think of china and US. sure US loss the chinese market and china loss the rest of the world's market.. but the REST OF THE WORLD losses the chinese market also, and that's not a market that any nation can just pick up. nations that sell to china will complain loudly to USA.

also if USA only blockade ships registered in china, then the suppliers can use ships registered in their own countries to ship commodities to china that's not something USA can stop unless they blockade the harbors... which we already know they can't unless risk being destroyed.

and what about civil unrest in USA?? millions of consumers that just realized everything in walmart just got an extra zero behind it. india and mexico can't take on the extra work in a day. it will take years to train and build the factories to produce all that stuff.
 
Finn McCool

Finn McCool

Captain
Registered Member
Perhaps this disscussion should re-orient itself away from an apocalyptic war between China and the US and back to what China can do to get the natural chokepoints it has that restrict its Navy.

1. Gwadar, if it is all that it is cracked up to be, would be a tremendous aid to the Chinese. Especially if the could base a sizeable fleet there. Then they could target Diego Garcia! If Gwadar is not all it is cracked up to be, China needs to find a replacement. China needs to have an Indian Ocean Fleet. The political difficulties of pulling it off would be great, because the US and India would both be heavily opposed. But China needs to do it.

2. Expand the Alliance with Russia. This will threaten Japan's northern flank and provide China with a route into the North Pacific. It will also guarantee a supply of oil.

With a capable fleet in the Indian Ocean and a strong alliance with Russia, China will be able to project its power world wide.:china: :china:


Just a thought...Myanmar would be good. It can be reached overland from China and it has good harbors and a long coastline on the Indian Ocean. It is also in need of international backers. I think this idea was disscussed but I forget what happened.
 
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KYli

Brigadier
1. Cambodia
2. Myanmar
3. Pakistan

If China could get these three countries on their side, they could put good use on the harbors. US would have hard time to blockade China.

1. Veitnam
2. Thailand
3. Cambodia
4. Myanmar
5. Malaysia
6. Lao

If china could get three out of these six countries to support them, they will get many much needed resources.

Shaighai Six and Pakistan will be also important, they provide oil and route to the Middle east.

And we all know Russsia will be the most important allies of China, they could provide both weapons and Oil.
 
FriedRiceNSpice

FriedRiceNSpice

Captain
Is it just me or did Darth sidious just triple post? And why does it look to me as if he is talking to himself?
 
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darth sidious

Banned Idiot
FriedRiceNSpice said:
Is it just me or did Darth sidious just triple post? And why does it look to me as if he is talking to himself?
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some mods made a mitake in joining posts they combined mine and Finn McCools
 
PiSigma

PiSigma

"the engineer"
sorry my bad.. i did that.. wasn't paying too much attention.. don't really know how to split them up.... was going to merge the other posts....
 
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IDonT

Senior Member
VIP Professional
Finn McCool said:
Perhaps this disscussion should re-orient itself away from an apocalyptic war between China and the US and back to what China can do to get the natural chokepoints it has that restrict its Navy.

1. Gwadar, if it is all that it is cracked up to be, would be a tremendous aid to the Chinese. Especially if the could base a sizeable fleet there. Then they could target Diego Garcia! If Gwadar is not all it is cracked up to be, China needs to find a replacement. China needs to have an Indian Ocean Fleet. The political difficulties of pulling it off would be great, because the US and India would both be heavily opposed. But China needs to do it.

2. Expand the Alliance with Russia. This will threaten Japan's northern flank and provide China with a route into the North Pacific. It will also guarantee a supply of oil.

With a capable fleet in the Indian Ocean and a strong alliance with Russia, China will be able to project its power world wide.:china: :china:


Just a thought...Myanmar would be good. It can be reached overland from China and it has good harbors and a long coastline on the Indian Ocean. It is also in need of international backers. I think this idea was disscussed but I forget what happened.
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Again China will still face blockade even with overseas bases like Gwadar. The problem is how to get it resupplied. By land yes, but as a said, naval re supply is much more efficient. Having far flung bases without adequate logistics is just foolish. Those will be the first to be cut off.

China does not have the capability to challenge the Indian Navy in its backyard.

If China could get these three countries on their side, they could put good use on the harbors. US would have hard time to blockade China.

1. Veitnam
2. Thailand
3. Cambodia
4. Myanmar
5. Malaysia
6. Lao
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Vietnam still has lingering memories of the 1980's Chinese invasion and naval battle in the spratleys area.
Thailand is a US ally
Cambodia maybe
Myanmar maybe
Malaysia is in the ANZAC alliance, which included UK and Australia. Easy diplomatically to adopt a pro US stance.
Laos Maybe.

Those countries are part of ASEAN. SIngapore, Thailand, Philippines, Indonesia are the senior members of the organization and will have some sway on which side those countries will be on. Since most of them are US allies or have shown some hostilities to the Chinese, they will be in the US camp at best or neutral at worst.
 
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FreeAsia2000

Junior Member
Hmm I think you guys are downplaying the importance of Indonesia..have
you noticed how EVERYBODY is visiting Indonesia ?

I don't think the Indonesia public would support an American blockade of
China and if the chinese government played it's cards right it would
outright oppose it.
 
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