PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

bd popeye said:

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One thing ..That elevator in the middle foward part of the flight deck would be a real hinderance to flight operations. It's useless when launching and recovering aircraft. It would have to remain up during "flight ops". I know I was on CVA-19 and it had a elevator in a similar position.

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I'll prefer small amphibious carriers as first step
to me the


design could be a nice amphibious toy - carriing helos and light ground attack planes ....

just compared to the Melbourne design these carrier have 2 catapults in front ...

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

bd popeye said:

That ships about the size of a Tarawa class LHA.

How about some more drawings so I can better see your idea? You know flight deck, position of elevators and hangar deck arrangement.

Why a catamaran type hull?

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I was thinking about a LHA/CV mix, but that's for anotherconcept - I really think that CVs should have roll-on-roll off logistics access to the hanger deck at the very minumum so that they can be used for logistics, not unlike a "commando carrier" but with conventionalfighters also.

As a general observation, thrust vectoring should enhance the take-off potential of ski-jumps making them a more viable rival to catapults. Together with smaller UCAVs (which can also be single engined without the worries which rightly or wrongly blight single engined fighters), and variable hanger floors (like ferries which can raise/lower floors to carry two floors of cars or one floor of trucks) which allow double-stacking of aircraft.... so many thoughts.

Re cats', well they have better sea handling that's why But seriously, they solve the exhaust problem that gas turbines give CVs thus reducing the bridge structure and reducing the IR signiture in one go.

One idea I've had which I think is very clever is to put the SSMs below the ski-jump:coffee:

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Golly is rigth, to construct indegenious carriers China better develop some blue prints and existent designs

China could really use some russian Projects


Project 1143/7


Project 1153


Project 1160

Nice designs Obi Wan. In actuality although I love the Cv with three catapults that would be to advanced for the PLAN at this point. If about 50 years ago they did have a Cv then a 3 cat CV would work for them now.

If your "upgraded Varyag" Cv was real that would be the most probale design for the PLAN right now.

Your ships look like a cross between a UK QE2 class CVF and the Varyag..Excellent drawings all....

Nice designs Obi Wan. In actuality although I love the Cv with three catapults that would be to advanced for the PLAN at this point. If about 50 years ago they did have a Cv then a 3 cat CV would work for them now.

If your "upgraded Varyag" Cv was real that would be the most probale design for the PLAN right now.

Your ships look like a cross between a UK QE2 class CVF and the Varyag..Excellent drawings all....

Nice designs Obi Wan. In actuality although I love the Cv with three catapults that would be to advanced for the PLAN at this point. If about 50 years ago they did have a Cv then a 3 cat CV would work for them now.

If your "upgraded Varyag" Cv was real that would be the most probale design for the PLAN right now.

Your ships look like a cross between a UK QE2 class CVF and the Varyag..Excellent drawings all....

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

If we assume Varyag is the starting point then the designs I came up with represent a logical progression. Whilst there are some amazing and imaginative designs posted in this thread, the Stobar variant is probably closer to how the first indigenous PLAN CV may look. I made the LPH variant a smaller derivative of the design family, as this gives it the potential to be upgraded to STOBAR at a later date. It could serve as a test bed for a fully fledged CV variant (next two ships built), then after the bugs have been ironed out of the design they may move onto the CATOBAR variant and finally the three lift version. One possible avenue of development anyway...

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

If we assume Varyag is the starting point then the designs I came up with represent a logical progression. Whilst there are some amazing and imaginative designs posted in this thread, the Stobar variant is probably closer to how the first indigenous PLAN CV may look. I made the LPH variant a smaller derivative of the design family, as this gives it the potential to be upgraded to STOBAR at a later date. It could serve as a test bed for a fully fledged CV variant (next two ships built), then after the bugs have been ironed out of the design they may move onto the CATOBAR variant and finally the three lift version. One possible avenue of development anyway...

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

If we assume Varyag is the starting point then the designs I came up with represent a logical progression. Whilst there are some amazing and imaginative designs posted in this thread, the Stobar variant is probably closer to how the first indigenous PLAN CV may look. I made the LPH variant a smaller derivative of the design family, as this gives it the potential to be upgraded to STOBAR at a later date. It could serve as a test bed for a fully fledged CV variant (next two ships built), then after the bugs have been ironed out of the design they may move onto the CATOBAR variant and finally the three lift version. One possible avenue of development anyway...

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Hey, Planeman. You said your landing strip is also a STOBAR take off right?

I think that might be a problem. Having it would help slow an aircraft down on a successful landing, but what if the plane flies too fast or is descending too slowly? It would have to power up and repeat.

My concern is, I can't imagine having to power up in that short space and avoid the new obstacle!

Anyway, starting new naval fighter design thread.