PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing

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joshuatree

Captain
Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?

usaf0314 said:
The reason I did not put the following ship in the CSG are as follows
DDG Type 051 C Luzhou Class
DDG Type 051 B Luhai Class
These 2 ships were designed to provide air defense when PLAN had nothing beside Type 051 during the 90s(which only had anti-air guns and no SAMs), the type 051B/C were a development platform to mature Air Defense technology which eventually gave birth to the Type 52 and the new flag destroyers of the PLAN Type 52C/D
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How about deploying them in an ESG type scenario where a Type 071 is the center of the group?
 
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delft

Brigadier
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

I just looked at the building times for similar sized flattops to Liaonang, supposing that the ships rumored to be building in Shanghai and Dalian are of similar size. QE II class takes about four years from "keel laying" to launch, Forrestal and Kitty Hawk classes three and a half. Forrestal itself took three and a half years. We might expect the Chinese ships to take the same time, until mid '17. Indeed more modern production methods might even reduce this time. Outfitting took less than a year in the 'fifties and sometimes takes more than two years for Chinese destroyers. I think they will be commissioned well before 2020 but there might of course be delays.
 
Jeff Head

Jeff Head

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Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

delft said:
I just looked at the building times for similar sized flattops to Liaonang, supposing that the ships rumored to be building in Shanghai and Dalian are of similar size. QE II class takes about four years from "keel laying" to launch, Forrestal and Kitty Hawk classes three and a half. Forrestal itself took three and a half years. We might expect the Chinese ships to take the same time, until mid '17. Indeed more modern production methods might even reduce this time. Outfitting took less than a year in the 'fifties and sometimes takes more than two years for Chinese destroyers. I think they will be commissioned well before 2020 but there might of course be delays.
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I agree delft.

If they start these two carriers this early this year, I expect the will launch before 2018, and be commissioned before 2020.

This will give us all a LOT to discuss as they are building and we start seeing various features.

Particularly if the PLAN adds an LHA in their building queu too.

Looking forward to watching all of that happen.
 
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chuck731

Banned Idiot
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

delft said:
I just looked at the building times for similar sized flattops to Liaonang, supposing that the ships rumored to be building in Shanghai and Dalian are of similar size. QE II class takes about four years from "keel laying" to launch, Forrestal and Kitty Hawk classes three and a half. Forrestal itself took three and a half years. We might expect the Chinese ships to take the same time, until mid '17. Indeed more modern production methods might even reduce this time. Outfitting took less than a year in the 'fifties and sometimes takes more than two years for Chinese destroyers. I think they will be commissioned well before 2020 but there might of course be delays.
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QE would be the best indicator for the likely rate of progress for building Liaoning successor. Both are being built by ship builders without prior (comparable) experiences in building very large modern combat vessels.
 
kwaigonegin

kwaigonegin

Colonel
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

chuck731 said:
QE would be the best indicator for the likely rate of progress for building Liaoning successor. Both are being built by ship builders without prior (comparable) experiences in building very large modern combat vessels.
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Not entirely true.. BAE Maritime Systems have had experience working on the Ocean class LHD, the Albion LPD and the Bay class LSDs. While I agree those ships are not as big or complicated as QE, they are not exactly tugboats or small ships either.
 
Jeff Head

Jeff Head

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Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?

usaf0314 said:
i agree, the number is a bit overkill. However doesn't U.S. Carrier group usually compose of 2 Ticon Cruisers and 2 Arleigh Burke Destroyers and a OHP class frigate?
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Right now a US carrier strike group is most likely to consist of a Ticonderoga Cruiser, two Arleigh Burke Class destroyers, a nuclear attack submarine and the carrier.

The US has 22 Tico cruisers, and only 13 Perry class frigates right now, and there will only be nine in service with the US Navy by June of 2014. The Perry class frigates are rarely used these days for carrier escort duties.

However, the US does have 62 Arliegh Burke destroyers. They are the main stay for such escort duties and will remain so for the forseeable furute.
 
rhino123

rhino123

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Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?

Jeff Head said:
Right now a US carrier strike group is most likely to consist of a Ticonderoga Cruiser, two Arleigh Burke Class destroyers, a nuclear attack submarine and the carrier.
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Huh? I am sorry... I remember watching a chinese documentary recently, they mentioned that US strike group consist of a ticonderoga crusier, three to four Arleigh Burke Class destroyers, two nuclear submarines and one or two Perry class frigates and of course the Nimtz or later on the Ford class carrier.
 
Equation

Equation

Lieutenant General
Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?

rhino123 said:
Huh? I am sorry... I remember watching a chinese documentary recently, they mentioned that US strike group consist of a ticonderoga crusier, three to four Arleigh Burke Class destroyers, two nuclear submarines and one or two Perry class frigates and of course the Nimtz or later on the Ford class carrier.
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Perhaps, but I can't see how the Perry class frigates would be needed when the Arleigh Burke Class destroyers and Ticonderoga cruiser should be plenty of fire power for the US CBG.
 
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B.I.B.

Captain
Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?

I'm wondering on whether it is feasible for the PLAN use a supersized bulk carrier of some sort to act as a A/C and train up a couple more a/c battlegroups .The object being to give as many of ships of the other fleets experience in operating as a battle group?
 
usaf0314

usaf0314

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Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?

Equation said:
Perhaps, but I can't see how the Perry class frigates would be needed when the Arleigh Burke Class destroyers and Ticonderoga cruiser should be plenty of fire power for the US CBG.
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they(军情解码 interview with Prof. Zhang) did say U.S. is slowly retiring all Perry class frigates.
 
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