PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing

Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

cn_habs said:

The biggest question now is why is the hanger so low?

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asif iqbal said:

The hanger is not low, it's exactly where it's meant to be, here's a picture of the Queen Elizabeth
I still believe looking at the dimensions of this module at JNCX it's a large LHD, the carrier it under construction at Dalian

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The views/rumours on the chinese forums are that the module is just a sub-scale DEMO piece built to showcase CSSC's capacity to PLAN. And both Dalian and JNCX are building carriers. Liaoning-plus at Dalian and CATOBAR one at JNCX.

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In these photos I do believe the bottom right photo is of an EMAL catapult in Lakehurst NJ. I'm sure the original poster was just using it to make an illustration.

Engineers at Naval Air Engineering Station Lakehurst, N.J., work on the EMALS trough at the System Functional Display site. U.S. Navy Photo.

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Totoro said:

There is six decks below hangar on QE. We don't know their height. I've tried to calculate it from available images and gotten a value of (very roughly) 3 meters, but that is by no means precise.

There are four decks below hangar on this mystery module, plus another deck which isn't full height. We don't know the precise height of these decks but judging from other approximations, regular deck height may be around 2,3 meters.

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Below the flight deck the Queen Elizabeth had 9 further decks below, the hanger takes the height of two decks, it's between 7-9 meters depending on the area where you stand

So each deck is about 3.5-4 metres in height, the module at JNCX is substantially smaller, QE is 65,000 ton and I can't see PLAN carrier smaller than that so that's why i guess this is a LHD

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These two pictures show why the Vikrant is going to be another year and a half to two years before she is ready for sea trials:


As you can see, there are several major portions of the ship that simply are not finished yet.

The lower hull is completed. But the upper hull is only complted about 75% of the way from the bow back. The flight deck only covers that area of the vessel. So you still have approximately 20-25% of the upper hull and flight deck to complete.

And, of course the island is not on the vessel yet. All of that has to be complete, which will include significant portions of the innards and probably the aft section of the hanger deck, before the major weapons, sensors, and other systems can be added.

I believe the Indian government was at a point where they had to launch the vessel. It is so late, and they need the support of the people for the government and the military. So they launched her imcomplete so the people could see that significant progress had been made, though she is already 3 years late.

It is still an hoistoric and exciting event...but it is also now what most of us would consider a vessel that was truly ready to launch.

I am looking for some pictures of the vessel from the aft that would show the nature of what has not been completed back there in more detail.

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I think we may see a repeat of the Liaoning vs Vikramaditya where by India leads China with huge start date but the Chinese speed allows them to catch up

China may have started its carrier construction after India but they may be commissioned roughly at the same time

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Wasp class can operate six Harrier aircraft. Maybe there is no need for angled deck to operate six J-31.
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Jeff Head said:

These two pictures show why the Vikrant is going to be another year and a half to two years before she is ready for sea trials:

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I still think the angled out section of the deck is also to be added.

I also think not much if any of her innards are done, which is why she sits really high in the water. In the pic you can see they need some sort of platform underneath the hull in the forward section to keep her balanced.

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Jeff Head said:

These two pictures show why the Vikrant is going to be another year and a half to two years before she is ready for sea trials:

As you can see, there are several major portions of the ship that simply are not finished yet.

The lower hull is completed. But the upper hull is only complted about 75% of the way from the bow back. The flight deck only covers that area of the vessel. So you still have approximately 20-25% of the upper hull and flight deck to complete.

And, of course the island is not on the vessel yet. All of that has to be complete, which will include significant portions of the innards and probably the aft section of the hanger deck, before the major weapons, sensors, and other systems can be added.

I believe the Indian government was at a point where they had to launch the vessel. It is so late, and they need the support of the people for the government and the military. So they launched her imcomplete so the people could see that significant progress had been made, though she is already 3 years late.

It is still an hoistoric and exciting event...but it is also now what most of us would consider a vessel that was truly ready to launch.

I am looking for some pictures of the vessel from the aft that would show the nature of what has not been completed back there in more detail.

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Exactly, the Indians are merely doing it to showcase it to the public even thought it's nothing more than a painted empty hull that looks like a container ship at this point.

Once they start installing a gazillion foreign electronics or weapons systems, it's gonna take years of delay before the shipyard readies her for the Indian navy. Have they even finished completing that indigenous class of DDGs yet?

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rolking said:

The views/rumours on the chinese forums are that the module is just a sub-scale DEMO piece built to showcase CSSC's capacity to PLAN. And both Dalian and JNCX are building carriers. Liaoning-plus at Dalian and CATOBAR one at JNCX.

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Im inclined to agree that this is just a demo module. The hangar has grates, something that a real AC under construction wouldnt have. Also the door and that ladder at the bottom are certainly not signs of a real carrier.

However if it is a demonstration module to show that they can do it, then it means that right now they arent building any carrier. Otherwise, why would they waste time and money building that demo module?

Besides, is there any photos of those carriers under construction?

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