PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing

Engineer

Major
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

You'd kill the pilot.

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Any reduction in launch space means higher acceleration is needed, which places more stress on both pilots and aircraft. Yet, your so call advantage of integrated solution is all about reducing launch space, which is actually a disadvantage. This makes your whole idea impractical.
 

delft

Brigadier
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

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Any reduction in launch space means higher acceleration is needed, which places more stress on both pilots and aircraft. Yet, your so call advantage of integrated solution is all about reducing launch space, which is actually a disadvantage. This makes your whole idea impractical.
The advantage of the ski ramp is that you leave it at about two third of speed necessary for a straight cat. So with the same acceleration the length of the cat and of the ramp is about half that of a straight cat. There's your advantage.
 

no_name

Colonel
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

Maybe you'd save some deck space, but the cat system below deck is just going to be as massive as a full cat, so you complicate ship layout by requiring that installed plus the ski jump.

If you looks at Liaoning compared to Nimitz (to borrow Jeffs pic):

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The bow length used to launch aircraft is more or less the same with cat compared to sky jump. (cat seems even longer in fact) The only reason you can park some aircraft on the bow of Nimitz is because the bow is flat. In that case wouldn't it be better to simple ditch the ski jump and go directly with cat? If you want to park more aircraft, the simpliest way and straight to the solution is to build a bigger carrier with larger flight deck space, like the Nimitz compared to Liaoning even though she had a longer bow for launching aircraft.

Let's look at the Liaoning's short take off positions. They are very close to the curve of the bow ramp. In fact there is not much straight distance from the take off position to when the bow starts to curve. So even if you install cats there how much distance can you save? Gotta remember that if you save distance by moving the take-off position forward, you'd have even less straight distance to install a cat - so you end up with a cat that is short and not efficient in what it does anyway for all the troubles that you'd have to go through installing, operating and maintaining it.

Better to just go big and catobar. Quantity has a quality all its own. I'd say the same thing with size.
 

Engineer

Major
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

The advantage of the ski ramp is that you leave it at about two third of speed necessary for a straight cat.
What you have described above is the limitation of a ski ramp. It is not an advantage.

So with the same acceleration the length of the cat and of the ramp is about half that of a straight cat. There's your advantage.

Having the same acceleration length as a catapult means a catapult can be put there to achieve launch without the need of your integrated solution. It doesn't highlight the advantage of your idea in any manner.
 

kwaigonegin

Colonel
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

At the end of the day I would think it would be a very very difficult engineering challenge to put a cat on a curve surface. no offence but PLAN is not even masters of building 'normal' catapult launch systems yet and you want them to put cats that run on a curve deck? common!
It's one thing if it offers genuine advantages but it doesn't All this massive engineering hurdles to overcome and extremely difficult maintenance for very little if any return in additional capabilities.
 

kroko

Senior Member
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

Its more than clear that this catapult+sky ramp concept is a nonsense. China hasnt even deploy a catapult, let alone equip a carrier with both catapult and Sky ramp. Too complex, difficult and little benefit.
 

hardware

Banned Idiot
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

judging from the picture,if PLAN wanted to equip Liaoning with imported CAT,it may require extra space to house the rail,boiler and other associate equipment,translate to less fighters aircraft.
 

rhino123

Pencil Pusher
VIP Professional
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

judging from the picture,if PLAN wanted to equip Liaoning with imported CAT,it may require extra space to house the rail,boiler and other associate equipment,translate to less fighters aircraft.

Care to explain why you think PLAN need to import CAT? Do you have links that the Chinese do not have the capability to build and design their own CAT? Plus which country would be willing to import CAT to China (note that not many country could do it, US is out of the question, France and UK might not be able to import that under the arms embargoment, Brazil might or might not have the capability to build, plus US would confirmed pressure Brazil not to sell the Chinese the technology that US deemed to be theirs in the first place).
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

I don't know if you can get anymore information off this video but it shows the section about at the 1:41 mark and then afterwards some video of the 052D.

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