PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

the domestic naval flanker program is well under way. If my interpretation of avic1 articles is correct, then they are assembling their first one right now and probably will finish sometimes this year. I think they did get those two su-33s for studying purposes.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

the domestic naval flanker program is well under way. If my interpretation of avic1 articles is correct, then they are assembling their first one right now and probably will finish sometimes this year. I think they did get those two su-33s for studying purposes.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

tphuang said:

the domestic naval flanker program is well under way. If my interpretation of avic1 articles is correct, then they are assembling their first one right now and probably will finish sometimes this year. I think they did get those two su-33s for studying purposes.

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Thanks for that news tphuang...you always have an ear to the ground. Could you provide a link? If in fact the Chinese are starting to assemble SU-33s, then it is pretty clear what their intentions are.

Looks more and more like the PLAN plans STOBAR at the least, probably still starting with the Varyag...but we shall see.

Says the same for their indigenous designs.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

tphuang said:

the domestic naval flanker program is well under way. If my interpretation of avic1 articles is correct, then they are assembling their first one right now and probably will finish sometimes this year. I think they did get those two su-33s for studying purposes.

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Thanks for that news tphuang...you always have an ear to the ground. Could you provide a link? If in fact the Chinese are starting to assemble SU-33s, then it is pretty clear what their intentions are.

Looks more and more like the PLAN plans STOBAR at the least, probably still starting with the Varyag...but we shall see.

Says the same for their indigenous designs.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

tphuang said:

the domestic naval flanker program is well under way. If my interpretation of avic1 articles is correct, then they are assembling their first one right now and probably will finish sometimes this year. I think they did get those two su-33s for studying purposes.

Click to expand...

Thanks for that news tphuang...you always have an ear to the ground. Could you provide a link? If in fact the Chinese are starting to assemble SU-33s, then it is pretty clear what their intentions are.

Looks more and more like the PLAN plans STOBAR at the least, probably still starting with the Varyag...but we shall see.

Says the same for their indigenous designs.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Jeff Head said:

Thanks for that news tphuang...you always have an ear to the ground. Could you provide a link? If in fact the Chinese are starting to assemble SU-33s, then it is pretty clear what their intentions are.

Looks more and more like the PLAN plans STOBAR at the least, probably still starting with the Varyag...but we shall see.

Says the same for their indigenous designs.

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well, not a really link, but this appeared on aerospace news a while back

日前，备受人们关注的新研项目飞鸡顺利通过公司评审组评审，交付试飞站，这标志着这个型号飞鸡研制生产取得 了重大进展。
自8月下旬新型号飞鸡正式投入总装生产以来，在技术协调问题较多，工作条件简陋，质量要求高的情况下，总装厂领导班子打破常规，攻坚克难，着力提高生产能力，在装配技术，实物质量上下功夫，不仅使每日工作内容逐步增加，而且产品质量也得到了保证。在新研飞鸡总装中，厂里成立现场工作团队，由工艺，调度，工段，维护，检验等部门抽调专人负责研制生产。组织员工两班倒，计划按小时排，能提前1分钟决不耽误60秒。 。。

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and it doesn't say that naval flanker is the one finishing assembly and delivered to test station. But in reality, SAC only has 2 projects that fit this description. I'm pretty sure there was an article on avic1 saying similar message, but I can't find it right now. And what I read sort of got confirmed by one of the big shrimps on Chinese bbs.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Jeff Head said:

Thanks for that news tphuang...you always have an ear to the ground. Could you provide a link? If in fact the Chinese are starting to assemble SU-33s, then it is pretty clear what their intentions are.

Looks more and more like the PLAN plans STOBAR at the least, probably still starting with the Varyag...but we shall see.

Says the same for their indigenous designs.

Click to expand...

well, not a really link, but this appeared on aerospace news a while back

日前，备受人们关注的新研项目飞鸡顺利通过公司评审组评审，交付试飞站，这标志着这个型号飞鸡研制生产取得 了重大进展。
自8月下旬新型号飞鸡正式投入总装生产以来，在技术协调问题较多，工作条件简陋，质量要求高的情况下，总装厂领导班子打破常规，攻坚克难，着力提高生产能力，在装配技术，实物质量上下功夫，不仅使每日工作内容逐步增加，而且产品质量也得到了保证。在新研飞鸡总装中，厂里成立现场工作团队，由工艺，调度，工段，维护，检验等部门抽调专人负责研制生产。组织员工两班倒，计划按小时排，能提前1分钟决不耽误60秒。 。。

Click to expand...

and it doesn't say that naval flanker is the one finishing assembly and delivered to test station. But in reality, SAC only has 2 projects that fit this description. I'm pretty sure there was an article on avic1 saying similar message, but I can't find it right now. And what I read sort of got confirmed by one of the big shrimps on Chinese bbs.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Jeff Head said:

Thanks for that news tphuang...you always have an ear to the ground. Could you provide a link? If in fact the Chinese are starting to assemble SU-33s, then it is pretty clear what their intentions are.

Looks more and more like the PLAN plans STOBAR at the least, probably still starting with the Varyag...but we shall see.

Says the same for their indigenous designs.

Click to expand...

well, not a really link, but this appeared on aerospace news a while back

日前，备受人们关注的新研项目飞鸡顺利通过公司评审组评审，交付试飞站，这标志着这个型号飞鸡研制生产取得 了重大进展。
自8月下旬新型号飞鸡正式投入总装生产以来，在技术协调问题较多，工作条件简陋，质量要求高的情况下，总装厂领导班子打破常规，攻坚克难，着力提高生产能力，在装配技术，实物质量上下功夫，不仅使每日工作内容逐步增加，而且产品质量也得到了保证。在新研飞鸡总装中，厂里成立现场工作团队，由工艺，调度，工段，维护，检验等部门抽调专人负责研制生产。组织员工两班倒，计划按小时排，能提前1分钟决不耽误60秒。 。。

Click to expand...

and it doesn't say that naval flanker is the one finishing assembly and delivered to test station. But in reality, SAC only has 2 projects that fit this description. I'm pretty sure there was an article on avic1 saying similar message, but I can't find it right now. And what I read sort of got confirmed by one of the big shrimps on Chinese bbs.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

I found an interesting video on YT a while back, it appears that the Russians (Soviet Navy?) did test the Yak-41 on Kiev class aviation cruisers:


In the video you can see multiple Yak-41's, as well as the "aircraft 77" accident while landing on the Admiral Gorshkov (ex-Baku) on Oct 5, 1991.

I suspect the Yak-41M was just a few years behind serial production in 1991. But with the fall of Soviet Union and retirement of Kiev-class aviation cruisers, the Russian navy didn't need the Yak-41M (as Yak-38 replacement) anymore. Given limited choice, the Russian navy opted to fund the Admiral Kuznetsov & Su-33's.

If we look at the post-Soviet time-line, the first 3 Kiev-class aviation cruisers (Kiev, Minsk, Novorossiysk) were retired in 1993, and the Yak-41M project was also canceled in 1993.

Without foreign buyer, I think Yakalov saw the writing on the wall and retired the project. Had China or France approached them in 1992-1993 to express interest and funding, things might have turned out quite differently.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

I found an interesting video on YT a while back, it appears that the Russians (Soviet Navy?) did test the Yak-41 on Kiev class aviation cruisers:


In the video you can see multiple Yak-41's, as well as the "aircraft 77" accident while landing on the Admiral Gorshkov (ex-Baku) on Oct 5, 1991.

I suspect the Yak-41M was just a few years behind serial production in 1991. But with the fall of Soviet Union and retirement of Kiev-class aviation cruisers, the Russian navy didn't need the Yak-41M (as Yak-38 replacement) anymore. Given limited choice, the Russian navy opted to fund the Admiral Kuznetsov & Su-33's.

If we look at the post-Soviet time-line, the first 3 Kiev-class aviation cruisers (Kiev, Minsk, Novorossiysk) were retired in 1993, and the Yak-41M project was also canceled in 1993.

Without foreign buyer, I think Yakalov saw the writing on the wall and retired the project. Had China or France approached them in 1992-1993 to express interest and funding, things might have turned out quite differently.