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That means, if the area of attack is defined as the radius defined by the length of the range of the missile, and if the YJ-82’s 120 km range figure is correct, then the sub launched YJ-18’s range is roughly 293 km. You can probably either round that up to 300 km or down to 290 km though.

Imo, the area of attack should be defined by the range of the missile. If both the missiles have 360 degrees of attack, the newer missile would have a range increase of about 24 times. Obviously if the angle of attack (radar/sonar coverage?) is taken into account, the range increase figure can deviate quite a bit.
 
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Hendrik_2000

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"You are wrong!!!" Wow, the emphasis on this cannot sound more infantile. Deino and Jeff are great people to talk to that true, but it is clear that they alone with a handful of mods can't hope to govern the entirety of the forum nor can they dictate the tone and agenda of the discussions, which leave plenty of space for you know what to occur.
And passionate does not equals competent or knowledge (if that knowledge means referring to plucked pages of articles from the public domain of the internet), in fact extreme passion can lead to the formation of an echo chamber, devoid of any and all critical discussion.
If you don't want to waste your time, maybe should should have not raised this issue in the first place. So try less to look like a strutting peacock when in reality you are just the pigeon on the chessboard here.

And knowledge does not mean personal opinion based on prejudice and lack of engineering basic
And if not public domain where can you get the information? The fact that you come here show that you cannot get that information anywhere else So why hang around in this forum and spoil the fun with controversial personal opinion ?
Anyway here is the man behind YJ 18

屡败屡战成就“一代宗师”
——记航天科工三院国家重点型号总师朱坤
王 旭 本报记者 付毅飞
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朱坤和他参与研制的导弹装备出口型号C802A合影。
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看起来,朱坤不像是个“狠角色”。

现任中国航天科工三院科技委副主任的他,平时着装休闲,说话朴实,手里常捧着保温杯,笑起来甚至有几分孩子气。

但在工作中,朱坤却带着一股“狠”劲,压不垮、打不烂,即使屡战屡败,也能屡败屡战。这股劲头让他创造了辉煌:解决100多项关键技术,取得300多项发明专利;某杀手锏系列武器跨越式提升我国反舰导弹水平,推动海军由近海防御向远海防卫战略转型;某反舰系列导弹全面装备多型飞机和舰艇,成为海军空军主战装备……卓越的成就也让他得到了自己都不敢接受的评价——“一代宗师”。

2018年1月8日,朱坤登上了国家科学技术奖励大会领奖台。

失败只是经历,不是结果

2014年,某型号首次演示验证试验,遇上了万里晴空的好天气。然而,现场人员的心情并不晴朗。

之前,针对一项关键技术的试验进行了十多次,但大多遭遇失败。很多人心里没底:“他们到底行不行?”果不其然,接下来两次测试任务又以失败收场。

然而,朱坤带领的试验队员却没沮丧。他们在各自岗位上分析讨论,忙到深夜。

转天试验,在场所有人都瞪圆了双眼,屏住了呼吸。只见一道白光闪过,试验场传来欢呼声,几乎降至冰点的气氛被震耳欲聋的掌声所引燃。后续三次试验接连获得成功,试验队员终于把积在心中的压力连同兴奋一起宣泄出来。一位队员忘情地吼叫着,摆出了后羿射日的姿势。

按照计划,这项试验成功一次就算通过,结果后续数十次试验连续成功,这样的成绩在世界上都属罕见。眼前的结果让朱坤连连感慨“想不到”。据悉,通常一个型号的技术创新率能达到30%至40%,就处于创新率的高位,而该型号的技术创新率高达70%,产品零部件数以十万计,做到100%无误,难度可想而知。

在一次动力试验中,悬挂装置上的试验品在点火后突然飞向试验间侧墙,穿墙而出,落到了大街上。大家都惊出了一身冷汗,好在没有人受伤。在一项国内从未进行过的关键部件试验中,试验品启动十多次,但该实验80%都失败了,要么因为部件被烧坏,要么因为产生控制力不足。一次次挫折、一次次心有余悸,却并没有让朱坤的团队退缩。

作为一个长沙人,朱坤非常推崇曾国藩的名言“屡战屡败,屡败屡战”。“失败只是经历,不是结果。咱们目标很明确,最后肯定是成功。”他说。这股不达目的不罢休的劲头,潜移默化地影响着团队中的每个人,成为这支“打不倒”团队的共识。

敢想敢干,“吵”出重大型号来

新一代潜射反舰巡航导弹,在核心技术上实现自主创新,主要指标国际领先,综合指标国际先进,是全国唯一连续纳入国家某工程一期、二期、三期的重大型号。

朱坤主持了该型号的预研、立项、研制、批产工作。他把该型号称为“吵出来的创新”。

该型号立项时,很多人质疑:“你们比国外同类型号‘迷你、轻便’,指标还要比人家翻倍,凭什么?”一位老领导也认为,朱坤的想法“非常吸引人”,但不可能实现,为此他甚至拍着桌子,冲朱坤大吼。

是创新还是炒作?对外界的质疑,朱坤毫不服软:“就凭我们敢想敢干。”他把具体实施方案拿给老领导看,讲明自己的理由,最终把老领导说服。

型号取得进展,一位上级首长听完汇报后吃惊地说:“你是‘一代宗师’啊!”朱坤吓了一跳,不知道怎么接话。“这个提法太高了。”后来他说。不过更高的评价接踵而至。七名院士在对该型号进行成果鉴定后,认为其“主要性能指标世界领先”,这在我国相关领域是鲜有的最高评价。

在三院,“朱坤带领的团队胆子最大、最敢干”已成公认。因为朱坤一直在团队推行的思想就是:“要赢得立项,必须通过创新超越前人。”他将此归结于自己随性的性格。“我的思维比较开放,不受约束,所以能提出很多奇怪的想法。”他说。

朱坤在国内首次提出亚超结合潜射反舰导弹总体方案,解决大射程与超声速突防双重难题,比俄罗斯“克拉布”导弹更短更灵巧,射程是其3倍;比美国“战斧”射程多100公里。

同时,他提出水下有动力有控发射方案,主持突破海上复杂环境下各种技术难题,成功研制我国第一型水下点火导弹。该型号国内水下发射深度最深、适应浪高最高。此外,该型号在国际上首创随海况自适应超低空掠海飞行技术。创造世界上掠海飞行高度新纪录,比美国“海麻雀”“标准”导弹拦截低界还低。而朱坤首次提出的反舰巡航导弹“360度”全向方案,使我国潜射反舰导弹攻击区域扩大600倍,成为主战杀手锏级装备。

没有权威,用事实说话

“创新离不开一些怪想法,但奇思妙想也需要继承和积累。”在朱坤看来,积累经验是创新不可或缺的一环。

他认为自己很幸运。“我的运气比较好,担当了承上启下的角色。”他说,“经验丰富的老一辈专家手把手带着我参加了国家重点型号的研制,后面来的这一批年轻人敢想敢干,我带着他们一起奋斗,把老一辈的优良传统和宝贵经验传给了新人。”

就这样,朱坤打造了一个创新团队。在这个团队里,不用墨守成规,不必迷信权威,可以质疑、吵架,但要用技术、事实说话。

在一次零部件改进工作中,年轻同志提出的方案与老同志的方案存在巨大差异。双方争执不下,朱坤做出“判决”:“做实验。”

老同志的方案曾用于多个型号,稳定性毋庸置疑。试验中,该方案使零部件性能提高了50%。然而,年轻同志的方案将性能瞬间提升了120%。最终新方案被采用,并被其他型号选用。

多年来,朱坤获得了数不清的荣誉,国家科学技术进步奖一等奖、国防科学技术进步特等奖、“新世纪百千万人才工程”国家级人选、国防科技工业有突出贡献中青年专家……但他更看重的是,将科学严谨、敢闯敢创的作风传给学生、助手和身边同事。目前,他的团队中已有20余人担任不同型号总师、副总师;他担任研究生导师培养出硕士38人、博士后1人。

“我们设计型号就是设计未来战争,要打破惯性思维,逼自己创新,拿出全新方案。”朱坤说。

人物档案

朱坤,生于1966年2月,系中国航天科工三院型号总设计师。他从事飞行器总体设计、制导系统研制工作,曾先后主持了我国多个型号的总体设计、方案论证、研制和预先研究工作,攻克了多项技术难题。

Google translation
Repeatedly Achieving "One Generation Master" of Aerospace Science and Industry --Introducing Zhu Kun Wang Xu, Chief of National Key Model of Aerospace Science and Industry Institute of Industry and Commerce, and Kun Fu, the reporter of the newspaper, and his export equipment model C802A, which is involved in the research and development of missile equipment. (China Aerospace Science and Industry Hospitals for map)

It seems that Zhu Kun is not like a "ruthless character." He currently serves as deputy director of the Science and Technology Commission of the China Aerospace Science and Industry Hospitals. Usually, he is dressed and relaxed, his speech is simple, his hands are often covered with mugs, and his laughter is even somewhat childish.

However, in his work, Zhu Kun took a "relentless" strength, unbending, and not a bad one. Even in his repeated battles, he can keep fighting. This momentum made him a brilliant: to solve more than 100 key technologies, made more than 300 invention patents;

A killer series of weapons by leaps and bounds to enhance the level of anti-ship missiles in our country to promote naval defense from offshore defense to far-sea defense strategy transformation; an anti-ship The series of missiles were fully equipped with many types of aircraft and naval vessels and became the main battlefield equipment of the Navy Air Force.

The outstanding achievement also made him have an evaluation that he did not dare to accept - "a generation of master." January 8, 2018, Zhu Kun boarded the National Science and Technology Award Conference podium. Failure is only experienced, not the result In 2014, a model demonstration test for the first time, encountered a good weather in thousands of miles of clear sky.

However, the mood of the scene staff is somber. Previously, more than a dozen trials of a key technology were conducted, but mostly failed. Many people do not know why: " Will they in the end okay?" Sure enough, the next two test tasks failed again. However, Zhu Kun led the team members did not feel depressed. They analyze the discussion in their respective positions, busy late at night. Turn the day test, where everyone was staring his eyes, hold his breath.

I saw a flash of white light, cheers came from the test site, almost dropped to freezing atmosphere was deafening applause ignited. Follow-up success of three consecutive experiments, test team members finally put the pressure in mind together with the excitement to celebrate. A team member roared passionately, posting Hou Yi shot in the position. According to the plan, once the test was successfully passed, the success of the subsequent dozens of consecutive tests, such results are rare in the world.

The immediate results so that Zhu Kun feeling "unexpected". It is reported that, usually a model of technological innovation rate can reach 30% to 40% success, at a high rate of innovation, and the model of technological innovation rate can be as high as 70%,

The degree of difficulty can be imagined. In a dynamic test, the test article on the suspension suddenly flies to the side wall of the test room after ignition, passes through the wall and falls onto the street. Everyone was scared of a cold sweat, fortunately no one was injured.

In a key component test that has never been done in China, the test product started more than ten times, but 80% of the tests failed either because the components were burned out or because of insufficient control. Again and again setbacks, time and again lingering fear, but did not allow Zhu Kun team retreat. As a Changsha person, Zhu Kun highly praised Tseng Kuo-fan's famous saying of "fighting in battles and defeats. "Failure is an experience, not an outcome. Our goal is clear, and in the end it is definitely a success," he said.

This stock does not reach the goal of giving up momentum, subtly affect everyone in the team, as this "do not fight" team consensus. Dare to think hard, "noisy" major models to a new generation of submarine-launched anti-ship cruise missiles in the core technology to achieve independent innovation, the leading indicators of the world's leading international advanced indicators, is the only continuous inclusion of a national project, Two, three major models.

Zhu Kun presided over the model pre-research, project development, production and batch work. He called the model "disruptive innovation." The model project, many people question: "You than the same type of foreign models 'mini, lightweight', but also double the range than others, with what?" An old leader also believes that Zhu Kun's idea, "very attractive, But impossible to achieve, for which he even patted the table, Chong Zhu Kun shouted. Is this innovation or hype? To the question from the outsider, Zhu Kun did not accept easily: "Let us dare to do it by ourselves." He showed the specific implementation plan to the old leaders to explain their own reasons and eventually convince the old leaders. Model made progress, a superior head heard the report after the surprise, said: "You are a generation of master ah!" Zhu Kun shocked, do not know how to react.

"This complement is too high," he said later. However, a higher rating came one after another. Seven academicians in the model after the results of appraisal, that its "main performance indicators leading the world," which in our field is rarely seen the highest rating. In Industry, "Zhu Kun led the team courageous, most courageous" has become recognized. Because Zhu Kun has been in the team to implement the idea is: "To win the project, we must surpass our predecessors through innovation."
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
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He attributed this to his casual personality. "My thinking is more open and unconstrained, so I can come up with a lot of weird ideas," he said. Zhu Kun in the country for the first time put forward submarine combined with submarine anti-ship missiles overall program to solve the dual problem of large range and supersonic penetration prevention Compare to the Russian "Crab" missile it is shorter and more dexterous, its range is 3 times; than the United States, "Tomahawk "Range more than 100 kilometers. At the same time, he proposed a submarine motivated and controlled launch program, presided over a variety of technical challenges in the complicated maritime environment and successfully developed China's first type of underwater fire missiles.

The depth of the model launched the deepest underwater launch to adapt to the highest wave height. In addition, the model is the first in the world to adapt to the sea conditions adaptive low-altitude swept the sea flying technology. Creating a new record in the world in flying skimming sea, which is lower than that of the U.S. "Sea Sparrow" "standard" missile interceptor.

The "360 degree" omnidirectional solution proposed by Zhu Kun for the first time in anti-ship cruise missiles has expanded our submarine-launched anti-ship missile attack area by 600 times and has become a main killer. There is no authority, to use facts to say "Innovation can not do without some strange ideas, but the wonderful ideas also need to be inherit and accumulate." In the view of Zhu Kun, the accumulation of experience is an integral part of innovation.

He thinks he is very lucky. "My luck is better, and I assume the role of bearing on and on." He said, "Experienced senior generation experts took me to participate in the development of key national models and later came the group of young people who dare to think hard, I took them to work together to pass on the fine traditions and precious experiences of the older generation to the newcomers.

"In this way, Zhu Kun created an innovative team. In this team, do not stick to the rules, do not have dictatorial authority, you can question, quarrel, but to use technology and facts to speak. In a component improvement work, there is a huge difference between the plan put forward by the young comrades and that of the old comrades. Zhu Kun made the "verdict": "The experiment was done."

The program of the old comrades was used on more than one model, and stability is beyond doubt. In the experiment, this scheme improved the performance of the parts by 50%. However, the program of young gays boosted performance instantly by 120%. The final new program was adopted and selected by other models. Over the years, Zhu Kun has won numerous honors, the first prize of the State Science and Technology Progress Award, the grand prize of the progress of science and technology of national defense, the national candidate for "New Century Talents Project", the outstanding contribution of the defense science and technology industry to the middle-aged and young people Expert ...

But he is more valued is that the scientific rigor, dare to pioneer the style of passing students, assistants and colleagues around. Currently, his team has more than 20 people served as the chief engineer of different models, deputy chief division; he served as a master tutor to train a master 38 people, a postdoctoral. "We design the model is to design the future war, to break the inertia of thinking, forcing their own innovation, come up with a new program." Zhu Kun said.

Zhu Kun, was born in February 1966, the chief architect of China Aerospace Science and Industry Hospitals model. He was engaged in the development of the overall design and guidance system of the aircraft. He has successively presided over the overall design, program demonstration, research and pre-research work of various models in China, and solved many technical problems. Next article 4
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jobjed

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One key takeaway: The sub-launched YJ-18 has a range of 660 km. It's three times that of
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I think the Club's range is artificially lowered from the Kalibr's by Russia to conform to MTCR regulations. It would be more useful to compare the YJ-18 with the Russian's domestic Kalibr rather than the export variant.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Regardless, the point is to infer the range of YJ-18 from the report.

Right Oedo come about the same range like you do. Here is the original link to the article
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言及した「トマホーク」は潜水艦発射型のUGM-109Bと思われ、射程は590km。「クラブ」は亜/超音速型の3M54Eと思われ、射程は220km。クラブの3倍とトマホークより100km長いと計算されたと、YJ-18潜水艦発射型の射程は600~700kmと推定。

The mentioned "Tomahawk" seems to be a submarine launch type UGM - 109 B, with a range of 590 km. "Club" seems to be sub / supersonic type 3M 54E, the range is 220 km. When it is calculated that it is 3 times longer than the club and 100 km longer than Tomahawk, the range of the YJ - 18 submarine launch type is estimated to be 600 to 700 km.

It is one fearsome missile with terminal speed of Mach 2 and 300 Kg explosive. The wiki range estimate is off by 100-200km. It replace short range YJ-82 on Shang, Yuan and Song Sub

other sources claim the submarine-launched variant has a range of 500 km (310 mi; 270 nmi) with a terminal speed of Mach 2 while flying at a lower terminal altitude than the Russian Kalibr/Klub.
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The missile can be launched from
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and possibly from submarine torpedo tubes.
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Chinese media claims the missile has an
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using
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data, and carries a 300 kg (660 lb) high-explosive warhead or an
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warhead to destroy electronics at short range.
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The YJ-18 is deployed aboard the
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and will equip the future
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. It may already be carried by the
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outfitted with VLS cells, will replace the 20 nmi (23 mi; 37 km)-range
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aboard the
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(AIP) and
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And the carrier type 93 G has vertical launch system according to CCTV
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China Central Television showed a satellite picture earlier this week of three submarines anchored at an unidentified port, saying the vessels are China's most advanced Type-093G nuclear-powered attack submarines, just completed by a Chinese shipyard and a waiting delivery.

With a teardrop hull, the submarine is longer than its predecessor, the Type-093, and has a vertical launching system, the report said.

Another article carried by the People's Liberation Army navy's website said the Type-093G's wing-shaped cross-section is designed to improve speed and mobility as well as reduce noise, and that the vertical launcher is capable of delivering the country's latest YJ-18 supersonic anti-ship missile.
 
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Totoro

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No saying that whoever was writing it was necessarily using proper sources, but the 2016 DoD report on China says: "
The LUYANG III and Type 055 CG will be fitted with a variant of China’s newest ASCM, the YJ-18 (290 nm, 537 km), which is a significant step forward in China’s surface ASUW capability."
 
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