PLAAF AND PLAN Pilot Training
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beijingcar
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"was this the one in hubei? the chinese pilots, especially cat A, frontline units are stretched to the max, as the last crash that involve flanker(s) was reportedly due to fatigue of the pilot(s)."
No this one was in XinJiang Autonomous Region, and I believe is from a Cat B unit. The last crash I knew of was from about a month ago in Hebei Province, a JJ7 crashed, both pilots punched out at very low level and with the JJ7 on fire ( eyewitness reported), one pilot was taken to the local hospital, the other pilot was unhurt. It crashed into a farm house, but no one on the ground was hurt. As for training to the Max, I do not know, there was a article in the PLA daily about a JH7 unit, it said that the unit was planning on a too easy of a training schedule for the start of spring training ( to be safe, I think that it's what the article meant), but after the meeting with the regimental leaders, the division put in a lot tougher flying schedule for them.
No this one was in XinJiang Autonomous Region, and I believe is from a Cat B unit. The last crash I knew of was from about a month ago in Hebei Province, a JJ7 crashed, both pilots punched out at very low level and with the JJ7 on fire ( eyewitness reported), one pilot was taken to the local hospital, the other pilot was unhurt. It crashed into a farm house, but no one on the ground was hurt. As for training to the Max, I do not know, there was a article in the PLA daily about a JH7 unit, it said that the unit was planning on a too easy of a training schedule for the start of spring training ( to be safe, I think that it's what the article meant), but after the meeting with the regimental leaders, the division put in a lot tougher flying schedule for them.
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These series of pictures shows allegedly PLAAF cadets playing with Lock On Modern Air Combat as part of their training. It looks to me they're more than cadets, since they are wearing jackets with the 1st Division badge. The screens are obviously showing Su-27 cockpits, not surprisingly since the 1st Division uses J-11s and Su-27UBKs.
speculator
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does anyone know how effective simulator training actually is? because in a simulator, the pilot doesn't experience g-forces, terbulance, crosswinds etc etc. or is simulator training used purely for tactics and strategy?
Well, you sure can simulate turbulances and crosswinds in simulators, as well as all kinds of other weather conditions or aircraft system failures.
In modern sims, training can be quiet effective. However they can of course not substitude real flying, since -as you said- it's a different feeling.
And in modern sims the seats can "shake" and such things to mimic the "feeling" to some extent.
In modern sims, training can be quiet effective. However they can of course not substitude real flying, since -as you said- it's a different feeling.
And in modern sims the seats can "shake" and such things to mimic the "feeling" to some extent.
When you do this kind of PC flight simulator training, I think what you really are after is tactics and tactical coordination, not flight profiency. People seem to have forgotten that training for element (2) and flight (4) tactics is very important, probably more important than developing individual pilot skill alone. Here people learn to fight as a unit, rather than individual heroes.
As for turbulences and crosswinds, I remember that in IL2, they do try to simulate gyroscropic forces on the aircraft. Thus a plane has a tendency to roll in one direction faster than the other, or the aircraft has a tendency to pull into one direction. You would think its a bug but it isn't. In modern games, turbulence or explosions can be expressed with shaking game controllers and joysticks.
What joysticks and controllers cannot express, especially with vintage aircraft is the stick forces. The stick gets harder to pull as the speed goes up, and it is only when a certain F-86 Sabre started using hydraulics for flight controls did controls became light.
As for turbulences and crosswinds, I remember that in IL2, they do try to simulate gyroscropic forces on the aircraft. Thus a plane has a tendency to roll in one direction faster than the other, or the aircraft has a tendency to pull into one direction. You would think its a bug but it isn't. In modern games, turbulence or explosions can be expressed with shaking game controllers and joysticks.
What joysticks and controllers cannot express, especially with vintage aircraft is the stick forces. The stick gets harder to pull as the speed goes up, and it is only when a certain F-86 Sabre started using hydraulics for flight controls did controls became light.
Sorry for replying to an old thread, I understand from several sources that the current PLAAF flying hours are 180-200(2013-2014). Correct Ya or Nay ?