PLA Uniforms & Kit

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Red___Sword

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Re: PLA Uniforms

bd popeye said:
...Really. I did not know that. But I know 20 years ago when I was on the Nimitz in the Persian Gulf region we had steak and lobster about three times a week.. not everyday. And we always had a fully stocked salad bar. The USN has been serving hot meals at sea 24/7/365 for over 100 years. Get over yourself....
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Hey Popeye, not to intel-digging anything, but sounds like "you were there" at 1st Persian Gulf war. I got a somewhat very related topic that you might able to help.

PLAN Marine (China's Marine "belongs" to PLAN) got this type 07 camo that is "sea camo", which looks like and sounds like, it can only work on sea. And military PR's photo always shows them walking among trees with that sea camos as easy targets. This has been a major critics inside China and among international forums. (of the "stupidity" of these sea camos)

As my understanding, USMC used to have same type of sea camos roughly the era when you are serving USN, (not sure they still have it today or not)

Do you have any proffessional explanation that "sea camos REALY works"? With photos of USMC dressing those sea camos AT LAND and WORKS to explan, the better.

Thanks.
 
bd popeye

bd popeye

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Do you have any proffessional explanation that "sea camos REALY works"? With photos of USMC dressing those sea camos AT LAND and WORKS to explan, the better
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Never saw the USMC wearing any sort of sea cammo back in my time in the USN from '71-'91.They wore green utilities..then woodland cammo and the original desert cammo.. If I find a photo of what you described I'll post it.

The USN nowadays has the NWU(Navy Working Uniform)

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Navy Working Uniform(NWU) for E-1 to O-10
KINGS BAY, Ga. (Feb. 19, 2009) Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy (MCPON) Rick West answers questions from Sailors stationed at Naval Submarine Base Kings Bay. West wore the new Navy working uniform and spoke about the correct wear and guidelines of the uniform. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 1st Class Jennifer A. Villalovos/Released)
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Believe it or not the purpose of the USN cammo design is to hide dirt , paint and grease stains on the uniform. Not hide from the enemy. As of today Special Forces Sailors and SEABEEs in combat situations on shore wear a variety of uniforms From woodland cammo to US Army ACU Or USMC MARPAT BDU.. Right now the USN is exploring another uniform for its special forces.
 
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Red___Sword

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bd popeye said:
The USN nowadays has the NWU(Navy Working Uniform)

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Believe it or not the purpose of the USN cammo design is to hide dirt , paint and grease stains on the uniform. Not hide from the enemy. As of today Special Forces Sailors and SEABEEs in combat situations on shore wear a variety of uniforms From woodland cammo to US Army ACU Or USMC MARPAT BDU.. Right now the USN is exploring another uniform for its special forces.
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Thanks.

So is that a clear reply that "sea camo" are NOT used for US force (don't mind USN or USMC) to actually "hit the beach"?

Do you have any professional comments about PLAN's sea camo effectiveness? I have no doubt it works at sea, but is it suitable to wear to "hit the beach"?
 
bd popeye

bd popeye

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So is that a clear reply that "sea camo" are NOT used for US force (don't mind USN or USMC) to actually "hit the beach"?
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Correct. The Marines hit the beach. Not the Navy except for supourt personell. Such as landing craft pilots and Hospital Corpsmen.

Do you have any professional comments about PLAN's sea camo effectiveness? I have no doubt it works at sea, but is it suitable to wear to "hit the beach"?
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Like the USN cammo it is to well scene. Don't the PLAN commandos wear black?
 
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Red___Sword

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This one, the guy in the middle, the "sea camo" I am talking about.

The thing is, a lot of photo showing, in excercise, when PLAN Marine (Once again, PLA Marine belongs to PLAN, for reminder) hit the beach, when landed and push inland, that sea camo look very "out of place". Dose it have fatal consequences, during this phase of combat? (Amphibious Landing phase)

Or it is deadly necessary, for you to wear the sea camo, to go through the "yellow water" phase(when approaching the beach, still over water), alive.?
 
bd popeye

bd popeye

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Let me give you what I think about sea cammo...It's useless. Who are you hiding from at sea? On shore hitting the beach..well looks like a nice target to me. I know the USN got the sea cammo to be in line with the other services so they would have a certain look and other reasons listed below..

Some of the sea cammo would make it hard to find a sailor if he/she went overboard.

Here's some of the offical USN spin on the NWU..you call it sea cammo.

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Why these colors?

We wanted to choose colors that would be distinctive to our naval service, to give our Sailors a recognizable uniform apart from other services and appropriate to the maritime environment. The colors we chose were haze gray, deck gray, navy coverall blue and black. The name tapes on these uniforms will be gold for chiefs and officers, and silver for E-1 through E-6 members.

By using colors that are traditional Navy colors, we continue to uphold our naval heritage while giving our Sailors a uniform that is much more practical for our working environment.

Why the ‘camouflage’ pattern?

The concept uniforms are not intended to be ‘camouflage’ uniforms as is the case with similarly patterned uniforms of the other services. We have no need for camouflage. However, by learning from our past working uniforms as well as the uniforms from other services, the Navy realized that a solid cover uniform shows heavy wear areas much more predominantly than a multicolored pattern.

The solid color uniforms also show wrinkles in the fabric more predominantly, and often a small stain or spot of paint renders a solid colored uniform not wearable. A multicolored uniform alleviates those problems, as well.

The wear test will offer a chance to evaluate a traditional woodland pattern and a modern digital pattern for the working uniform.

What about Sailors who operate in tactical environments, such as Seabees, SEALs?

The NWU concept is designed to be a working uniform, not a tactical uniform. When Sailors are working in tactical environments, such as the desert, or in the field, they will still be outfitted with the appropriate tactical uniforms. Part of the working uniform will include a Gore-Tex parka, as well as a turtleneck sweater to protect against adverse weather conditions.
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PLA Sea Camo strikes me more as an attempt at creating a landing camo. a pattern to help break up the human form of someone on or coming too a beach. however when one looks at the camo pattern of the
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missile boat I think It shows where this pattern would work best.

The color black when used can be a problem color when used as a modern camouflage is stands out when seen though modern night vision equipment. Before NOD became popular however Black was useful for Night operations. on moonless nights a individual in black can become very hard too find. most modern field camouflage is supposed too be tested using Night vision of course that does not always work.
 
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RedMercury

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Supposedly it works well in the South China Sea islands. Also, as soon as you hit the beach, the mud will cover the brighter parts.
 
plawolf

plawolf

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Most of the publicity shots are side on, so the marines stand out like a sour thumb against the yellow beach. However, when the marines are coming ashore with the sea behind them, if you were a defender, it will probably be harder to spot someone in sea camo than desert or beach (whatever US marine yellow is called).

PLA marine camo is optimized for when they are first hitting a beach, and will probably work well on relatively flat terrain when they are they have the sea behind them.

USMC camos are best when the marines are on the beach, and when faced with enemy in an elevated position as they would blend easier into the sand. But if they were caught in the water, or if backdropped against the sea, their desert camo will stick out just as much as the PLA sea camo would against the beach.

I guess it really depends on when you think those soldiers would need the benefit of their camo the most as well as where they will be fighting.

Since the US seems to like fighting wars in the middle east, a desert camo will probably be the most useful, whereas the PLA probably expect they would most likely be fighting on small islands, so sea camo might be better for them.

Tbh, I don't think any standardized camo is that wonderful, the only camo that will have any chance of hiding a soldier are specialised camos customized by soldiers for their immediate fighting environment, like a gilly suit.
 
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Red___Sword

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Thanks, plawolf.

I guess the strategic evaluation on PLA Marine's possible casualty is taking at 泅渡　(apporaching) pahse the most, that's why they actually use the sea camo despite many other criticises.

There's a saying:"We don't worry (the combat effectiveness) of PLA, once they landed." 只要上了岸，一切都好办了。

A sidenote is that, when people are praising the VERTICAL STRIKE (halo transported strike) of modern amphibious campaign (if any), there is still nothing comparable of the transit capability to the "direct beach hitting" to a well defended position (with potent "combat depth") - with all kinds of, freaking-out-minded of, creative - transportations.

Dunkerque operation (operation GENERATOR? 发电机行动)at 1940, testify the "creativity" of people, when at amphibious operation. That's what I am refering.
 
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