PLA Strategy in a Taiwan Contingency

RoastGooseHKer

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Why do you think China is increasing her nuclear arsenal?
Deterrence is never guaranteed, especially when facing an irrational and desperate declining superpower. The risk of losing one’s existing prestige and status is much greater incentives to fight than trying to gain something one never had. It is for this reason why conservatives whites in America fought against every attempt to pass civil rights laws guaranteeing racial equality for a 100 years from the Civil War until 1965. And it is for the same reason why it is so hard to tax the rich in liberal democracies with institutions that tend to protect existing elites and power bases. Apply such logics to international politics, it is why Britain would fight so hard to prevent the rise of Germany through a national strategic gamble (joining WWI) whilst overlooking the US. In sum, status quo powers (both domestically and international politics) tend to fight to the last tooth and nails to preserve their privileges even when their realistic material power could no longer support their desires. Compromise would mean losing everything bit by bit and fade into the flood of history.
 

vincent

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Deterrence is never guaranteed, especially when facing an irrational and desperate declining superpower. The risk of losing one’s existing prestige and status is much greater incentives to fight than trying to gain something one never had. It is for this reason why conservatives whites in America fought against every attempt to pass civil rights laws guaranteeing racial equality for a 100 years from the Civil War until 1965. And it is for the same reason why it is so hard to tax the rich in liberal democracies with institutions that tend to protect existing elites and power bases. Apply such logics to international politics, it is why Britain would fight so hard to prevent the rise of Germany through a national strategic gamble (joining WWI) whilst overlooking the US. In sum, status quo powers (both domestically and international politics) tend to fight to the last tooth and nails to preserve their privileges even when their realistic material power could no longer support their desires. Compromise would mean losing everything bit by bit and fade into the flood of history.
Fine, China should just give up then.
 

Puss in Boots

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Deterrence is never guaranteed, especially when facing an irrational and desperate declining superpower. The risk of losing one’s existing prestige and status is much greater incentives to fight than trying to gain something one never had. It is for this reason why conservatives whites in America fought against every attempt to pass civil rights laws guaranteeing racial equality for a 100 years from the Civil War until 1965. And it is for the same reason why it is so hard to tax the rich in liberal democracies with institutions that tend to protect existing elites and power bases. Apply such logics to international politics, it is why Britain would fight so hard to prevent the rise of Germany through a national strategic gamble (joining WWI) whilst overlooking the US. In sum, status quo powers (both domestically and international politics) tend to fight to the last tooth and nails to preserve their privileges even when their realistic material power could no longer support their desires. Compromise would mean losing everything bit by bit and fade into the flood of history.
Do you know under what circumstances a nuclear war would break out?
The answer is that a nuclear war would only break out if one is assured of protection from a nuclear attack. Therefore, the "Golden Dome Project" was created for this very reason.
Trump is trying to convey to Americans the idea that they are immune to the threat of nuclear war, a belief that will lead some warmongers to take risky actions, using this radical approach to pressure China. China simply displayed a large number of hypersonic missiles and ballistic missiles with global reach to easily shatter Trump's illusions.
When facing death, many things can be given up. Power, status, money, and wealth are fleeting. Living a decent life is what most people choose.
 

Wrought

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Deterrence is never guaranteed, especially when facing an irrational and desperate declining superpower. The risk of losing one’s existing prestige and status is much greater incentives to fight than trying to gain something one never had. It is for this reason why conservatives whites in America fought against every attempt to pass civil rights laws guaranteeing racial equality for a 100 years from the Civil War until 1965. And it is for the same reason why it is so hard to tax the rich in liberal democracies with institutions that tend to protect existing elites and power bases. Apply such logics to international politics, it is why Britain would fight so hard to prevent the rise of Germany through a national strategic gamble (joining WWI) whilst overlooking the US. In sum, status quo powers (both domestically and international politics) tend to fight to the last tooth and nails to preserve their privileges even when their realistic material power could no longer support their desires. Compromise would mean losing everything bit by bit and fade into the flood of history.

There are never any guarantees. If people are suicidal, then they are suicidal, and we will all die together. That's the way it's always been since the Cold War days, and the way it will always be. Such is MAD.
 

萌萌与猫猫

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What markets? The markets of Europe and the US are, at a fundamental and instrinsic level, worthless to China. Saying you need to sell to them is like saying you need me to loot your house every week and leave you an IOU slip, which you squirrel away to pretend that collecting them gives your life meaning. But when you break these shackles and realize that those slips are worth nothing, that you should keep your things to use them to make your life better, then I am the one at a loss because I am no longer able to trade freely written notes for real goods. If the West doesn't open its markets to China, it will be like your drug dealer cutting you off so you can kick the habit. China will have to make a transition to working less and consuming more. The West will have to make a transition to working to produce everything they consume. It will increase the quality of life in China and decrease it in the West. China makes real goods and the West prints useless money; don't forget that as the primal core economic balance.
I must say, while I hold you in high regard, I cannot agree with this viewpoint. The European and American markets are crucial trading partners for China. This is not because China is weak, but precisely because China is the world's largest industrial nation. Its production capacity has far surpassed that of all industrial entities that have ever existed in history. Even without being fully mobilized, this immense capacity has already made China the factory supplying the entire world. If China relied solely on domestic demand, it would be insufficient to absorb such massive industrial output. What China needs now is, on one hand, to expand the scale of its domestic market demand, and on the other hand, it requires greater market access from Europe and the United States. When the initiative shifts to China, the vast disparity in production capacity could swiftly overwhelm Western markets with Chinese exports. This would force Western nations to become dependent on China—the world's factory—across all sectors, including high technology. China would then secure complete dominance in every industrial domain.
 

GulfLander

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The Chinese government should send these people to the US. Pay the US gov if necessary.

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如果说三月下旬我们对中美贸易战还可以使用低调处理这个词,那么现在的用词将非常明确,请向美国投降,别闹了。现在投降是最体面的时机,代价最小。这话我不是今天才说,过去一个来月我说过无数次。

我在这里明确无误的使用了投降两个字。现在投降的好处是无需跪着,站着举起双手即可。将来投降,不但要跪着,还必须跪姿标准,否则挨打更惨。这就是现在投降和将来投降最大的差别!

中华民族还远没有到可以跟美国正面对决的时候。现在不到时候,将来一百年内都不到时候!

中国刚刚改革开放四十年,这四十年我们仅仅是赚了点钱而已,是的,仅仅赚了点钱,把过去几百年来损失掉的金钱差不多全赚回来了,就这么点事。

但是,不要忘了,我们赚的这些钱,是美国给的。实话说我是反美的,但是情绪代表不了一切,美国现在轻易就可以消灭中国,这才是你必须面对的惨淡现实。

在芯片行业跟美国对抗,可能性已经为零。在地球毁灭之前,中国人永远不可能在芯片领域崛起到可以追赶上美国的地步,更不要认为可以超越。是的,没那个可能。如果你精神正常,请放弃抵抗,聊点别的吧!

芯片行业之所以不存在中美竞争这个侮辱智商的话题,这是因为比芯片行业更可怕的落后,还有精密机床。芯片的落后是一个大系统,这个系统中华民族可以驾驭,但永无可能与美国正面竞争。这是现实,喊口号无用。

在芯片领域只有冠军,没有亚军。中美两国战机同时上天,我军发现了敌机并按下了导弹按钮,但就在这一瞬间我们被打下来了。这就是芯片业的残酷性。是的,只有第一,没有第二。亚军请下跪,别不好意思。

2014年4月份,没错,就这个月份,整整四年前,微软停止对XP提供支持。请我们自己手捂着胸口说,在全中国境内发生了什么?自己说。

当天我在亚运村北辰超市结账,为了买一瓶矿泉水,在超市所有结账柜台前整整排队两个小时,最后这瓶水还是没买到。所有收银台的电脑系统全部崩溃,全北京,不,全中国的商业结算机构,以及全部银行,不得不得重新更换升级后的操作系统,经济才可以正常运行。

没错,请向美国投降,现在是代价最小的时候。现在投降的好处是无需跪着,站着举起双手即可。将来投降,不但要跪着,还必须跪姿标准,否则挨打更惨。这就是现在投降和将来投降最大的差别!

不投降的代价是什么?

当微软、苹果和谷歌三大操作系统同时向中国关闭之后:

1、所谓的大飞机当即死棋,运十的噩梦重演。美英法不用向中国发射导弹,停止供应链就行了。

2、中国大陆所有银行重新使用算盘。

3、全中国所有超市、商场和一切商务机构的收银台电脑彻底消失。

4、所有医院重新回到望闻问切时代,中国人治病全都靠红毛药酒。

5、全中国所有学校和一切教学培训机构回到粉笔时代,所有电视台彻底关闭,电视信号从中国大陆全境消失。

6、中国大陆全境的一切办事机构重新回到通讯员骑自行车跑腿传递信息时代。通讯基本靠喊,安保基本靠狗。

好,就这些,已经足够了。其它的自己想去。

你可以做梦,可以想象自己开发一个全新的操作系统与美国对抗。对不起,那个可能性跟本不存在!

现有的互联网根服务器在美国,人类现有的信息化(电脑应用)底层系统代码由美国人发明,被美国人垄断。人类可以发明出的另外一套运行系统无法与美国人发明的并且已经覆盖全球的系统兼容,那你最后只能成为前苏联。

至于原因,请参考上面那句话。两国战机同时上天,你发现了敌机并按下了导弹按钮,就在这一瞬间你被打了下来。争论到此结束。

自然法则决定了地球上的操作系统只能有一个,绝不会有两个。但愿这个道理你是站着接受的,而不是跪着。如果跪着接受,不但跪着,还必须跪直了上身,双手举得更高,否则挨打更惨。

有句话我说过无数次,最后在这里再重申一遍:

美国不是被打死的,是被拖死的。想用竞争的方式战胜美国,可能性为零。你只能等待机会慢慢拖死它,主动提挑战美国跟送死是同义词。

小钱靠挣,大钱靠命。中国人如果能超越美国,那一定是靠命。假如中国人有这个命,那你还忙什么呢?早晚的事。但是,如果你没这个命呢?请想象后果。

中国到底有没有靠竞争战胜美国的命?谁知道?请告诉我实话。

口号是大可以喊喊的,但别入戏太深就好。知道自己是谁,别跟美国撕破脸。

就这样,大家好运!
Whos Ma Chen and that org "Independent Chinese Pen Center"? Is it like an NGO/ "free press" group?
 

latenlazy

Brigadier
I must say, while I hold you in high regard, I cannot agree with this viewpoint. The European and American markets are crucial trading partners for China. This is not because China is weak, but precisely because China is the world's largest industrial nation. Its production capacity has far surpassed that of all industrial entities that have ever existed in history. Even without being fully mobilized, this immense capacity has already made China the factory supplying the entire world. If China relied solely on domestic demand, it would be insufficient to absorb such massive industrial output. What China needs now is, on one hand, to expand the scale of its domestic market demand, and on the other hand, it requires greater market access from Europe and the United States. When the initiative shifts to China, the vast disparity in production capacity could swiftly overwhelm Western markets with Chinese exports. This would force Western nations to become dependent on China—the world's factory—across all sectors, including high technology. China would then secure complete dominance in every industrial domain.
Not that I’m advocating for China to just discount trade with Europe and the US but given China’s current level of development it absolutely could absorb all its industrial capacity domestically if it wanted to. There are still lots of people who could use newer nice things in China who could absorb excess capacity if you just made it cheap it enough for them. It would just be less financially efficient to run the economy that way.
 

xmupzx

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As a graduate majoring in International Trade, I would say that international trade exists because it improves the situation for most of the participants.
China is not only the world's largest exporter but also the second-largest importer.
This means that we still have a significant demand for some manufactured goods or intermediate products from Western countries to meet our own consumption needs and to supplement the supply chain on the production side.
However, as time goes by and technology advances, China's demand for foreign industrial manufactured goods will gradually decline. By then, China's demand will only be for raw materials and agricultural and livestock products, and such trade will not allow Western countries to maintain their current affluent lifestyles.
This is the essence of the China-US conflict that we see. However, before this conflict is resolved through one side's victory or some form of win-win outcome, China and the West both have strong trade dependencies on each other. That said, I would say that China is the side with a lower degree of dependence, after all, we can sustain ourselves at a level of living comparable to that of the 2000s if not 2010s.
 

latenlazy

Brigadier
As a graduate majoring in International Trade, I would say that international trade exists because it improves the situation for most of the participants.
China is not only the world's largest exporter but also the second-largest importer.
This means that we still have a significant demand for some manufactured goods or intermediate products from Western countries to meet our own consumption needs and to supplement the supply chain on the production side.
However, as time goes by and technology advances, China's demand for foreign industrial manufactured goods will gradually decline. By then, China's demand will only be for raw materials and agricultural and livestock products, and such trade will not allow Western countries to maintain their current affluent lifestyles.
This is the essence of the China-US conflict that we see. However, before this conflict is resolved through one side's victory or some form of win-win outcome, China and the West both have strong trade dependencies on each other. That said, I would say that China is the side with a lower degree of dependence, after all, we can sustain ourselves at a level of living comparable to that of the 2000s if not 2010s.
When you look into the details China’s trade dependency with the US is basically almost nothing now thanks to the effect of 8 years of trade wars.
 
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