PLA Strategy in a Taiwan Contingency

tphuang

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Why is America doing this? If you want to war game fine, but do it in private. Why invite cameras and announce it to the world?
They seem to be intent on provoking China in any way they can. Is this how they show they are tough on China?

Do you know how bad the ratings of Meet the press is? They are trying to put anything out there that will get them viewership. I would not take anything from there seriously if I were you.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Freedom of speech bro. Just because they can say anything doesn't mean you have to take it seriously, there is also freedom to call them out as retarded and freedom to ignore them entirely.
Freedom without responsibility is the absolute shit. No wonder the country is in a mess. Everyone acts like they're all Einsteins when in reality as you said, most are retarded people high on their self-appointed magnificence a.k.a. exceptionally unexceptional.
 

tch1972

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I was last in Singapore one month ago. Singapore is definitely very pro Chinese people. About 15% of the population are from mainland. Another very large portion of population are Chinese expats for Malaysia and other other asean countries. This trend will only continue in the future since Singapore will have to continue to import Chinese people in order to keep the han majority. On top of that, all the schools teach Chinese. It's a fundamental part of Singapore culture.

Singapore has one of the lowest surveyed approval rate for America. So yeah, the only people that are pro western are the military and that's only because America offers them weapons. Once china has more advanced weapons, it can start offering that to Singapore. We will see which side Singapore military picks.

I think china will have better chance with Malaysia.

Relation between Singapore and China is a sensitive one and had to be looked in the broader context of ASEAN china relation.

Singapore will not take the lead to lean towards China unless Indonesia and Malaysia does so.

As for weaponry, Market for China is limited as Singapore is self sufficient in most of the small arms and sub systems. Big ticket item like fighter jets is virtually impossible for the next 2 decades. a switch from American western platform is a huge leap. What left are those smaller items which Singapore don't produce like ATGM, Manpad anti aircraft missile etc. But such items won't alter your foreign policy
 

tch1972

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Singapore hosts US military bases. The idea it is independent is a bit of a mirage really.

It better for China to make it very clear to Singapore politicians behind closed doors that her millitary installations will be targeted if singapore allows USA to used them to target China.

Singapore leadership should not misjudged or have any illusion that her policy of depending on China for market and USA for security is sustainable
 

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It better for China to make it very clear to Singapore politicians behind closed doors that her millitary installations will be targeted if singapore allows USA to used them to target China.

Singapore leadership should not misjudged or have any illusion that her policy of depending on China for market and USA for security is sustainable

Again, Singapore is dependent on USA for security, because it had too. So, it's military leadership is tight with US military. There is no way in a US/China conflict, Singapore will allow US to use any of its military installations. Remember, Singapore's biggest fear is that Han Chinese people losing its majority share of Singapore population. It has seen what happened in Malaysia when Han Chinese share of the population drops. It's entirely dependent on the supply of Chinese people from Malaysia and mainland.

When China has advanced weapons that it can sell to Singapore, we will see what happens.

Should China prioritize Indonesia and Malaysia over others in the region? Of course. They are much bigger fish and are not being offered stealth aircraft by anyone else. China can also offer to build up local EV and renewable industries for greater influence. With Australia looking to turn itself into regional superpower, Indonesia should feel very threatened. It is the biggest catch in the region. Again, China will have a lot of weapons it can offer to Indonesia by the end of this decade. As Indonesia grows, it should no longer have to bow down to Western countries due to military weakness.
 

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There is no way in a US/China conflict, Singapore will allow US to use any of its military installations.
Singapore is not in a position to disallow anything. If there's a conflict between China and the US and a country where the US is based tries to prevent the use of its facilities, the US will attack it. In Singapore's case I doubt things have to go that far since they operate F-35s, the US could just not send them the activation codes that morning. Personally, I find the idea that a fighter jet has DRM hilarious; that's peak America.

The idea that China could substitute Singapore's weapons is insufficient. Even if China could offer comparable capability - which it can't now and when it can the PLAAF and PLAN will have first dibs - Singapore would have to pay twice for its weapons or the replacement would happen over decades. That's a minor issue in the bigger picture; the major issue is that China would have to economically, politically, and militarily protect Singapore from American retaliation if Singapore turns coat.
 

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Should China prioritize Indonesia and Malaysia over others in the region? Of course. They are much bigger fish and are not being offered stealth aircraft by anyone else. China can also offer to build up local EV and renewable industries for greater influence. With Australia looking to turn itself into regional superpower, Indonesia should feel very threatened. It is the biggest catch in the region. Again, China will have a lot of weapons it can offer to Indonesia by the end of this decade. As Indonesia grows, it should no longer have to bow down to Western countries due to military weakness.
Indonesia has a bit of a complicated history with China. I doubt Indonesia will ever be much closer to China than they are to the US, which isn't very close. As the 5th most populous nation on earth despite their economic issues they have the weight to stay principally non aligned. In the last 20 years they have bought fighter aircraft from both Russia and the USA and are a stake holder in South Koreas Stealth program

China would have to back off from the southern end of the SCS which includes some of Indonesia's economic zone

China/Indonesia back ground

China supposedly was in the process of shipping weapons to the Indonesian Communist party just prior to 1965 coup that disposed Sukarno, this was one of the main reasons given for the coup. Chinese Indonesians were among those targeted in the massacres that followed.

Every so often Indonesians run amok and take out their economic frustrations on Chinese Indonesians, most recently in the late nineties. Chinese Indonesians tend to preserve capital across generations more so than any of the indigenous groups, this has lead to Chinese Indonesians being over represented in the rich list.
 
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tphuang

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Singapore is not in a position to disallow anything. If there's a conflict between China and the US and a country where the US is based tries to prevent the use of its facilities, the US will attack it. In Singapore's case I doubt things have to go that far since they operate F-35s, the US could just not send them the activation codes that morning. Personally, I find the idea that a fighter jet has DRM hilarious; that's peak America.
Even more reasons for Singapore to switch to Chinese weapons. Aside from the things I already mentioned, it would be very easy for China to flatten certain parts of Singapore if Singapore is allowing US military to operate out of there. I'm sure Singapore knows that.
The idea that China could substitute Singapore's weapons is insufficient. Even if China could offer comparable capability - which it can't now and when it can the PLAAF and PLAN will have first dibs - Singapore would have to pay twice for its weapons or the replacement would happen over decades. That's a minor issue in the bigger picture; the major issue is that China would have to economically, politically, and militarily protect Singapore from American retaliation if Singapore turns coat.
We are discussing a long game here and it would be gradual transition. I'm talking about 20 to 40 years from now. But the engagement with Singapore military needs to start sooner than that.

Indonesia has a bit of a complicated history with China. I doubt Indonesia will ever be much closer to China than they are to the US, which isn't very close. As the 5th most populous nation on earth despite their economic issues they have the weight to stay principally non aligned. In the last 20 years they have bought fighter aircraft from both Russia and the USA and are a stake holder in South Koreas Stealth program
Their commitment to KF-21 program is pretty wishy/washy given the enormous investment they just made in Rafale/F-15. They are unlikely to have true access to stealth aircraft in the near future. China can definitely provide Tot and local production of J-31 to Indonesia just like it will probably do for Saudi Arabia.
China would have to back off from the southern end of the SCS which includes some of Indonesia's economic zone
That's something China can negotiate/settle with Indonesia, I'm sure.
China/Indonesia back ground

China supposedly was in the process of shipping weapons to the Indonesian Communist party just prior to 1965 coup that disposed Sukarno, this was one of the main reasons given for the coup. Chinese Indonesians were among those targeted in the massacres that followed.

Every so often Indonesians run amok and take out their economic frustrations on Chinese Indonesians, most recently in the late nineties. Chinese Indonesians tend to preserve capital across generations more so than any of the indigenous groups, this has lead to Chinese Indonesians being over represented in the rich list.
I think most people know about that. I've personally known Chinese Indonesians who fled to Singapore due to the anti-Chinese riots of the 90s. But that should have no bearing on China's future relationship with Indonesia. A lot of ASEAN countries have Chinese populations that do well and then get persecuted by jealous locals. Don't let events of even 10 years ago affect your future decisions. Back in Kevin Rudd era, Australia was quite friendly with China. Funny how that turned out, huh? Indonesia is the regional heavyweight that is facing the most threat from Australia's grown naval presence. China should be actively courting Indonesia.
 
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