PLA Strategy in a Taiwan Contingency

votran

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Would RE/CM restrictions stop Japan though? It’s possible that restricting so much to them would only push them further to war and give them time to prepare to strike China. I think there should be physical threat included.

If a us china war starts, after the initial strike on US bases, China could give Japan one last chance to stay out of the war. But to do that it needs to build that massive stockpile. It’s hard to argue you wouldn’t be crushed under millions of drones confirmed to exist already. If they decide to continue the war, then response should be immediate and immense. I think the easiest and cheapest way to stop cheap drones from hitting you is by attacking the other side first.

However, I’m concerned if China doesn’t begin with massive comprehensive overwhelming fire because

1. it wants to stick with its “we’ll never fire the first shot” saying.
2. half asses the salvo for fear of escalating too far or not wanting to look barbaric on the world stage.
3. Think that sparing some of japans factories will show it mercy and have them surrender quickly.


It would incredibly stupid but not out of the question as Russia and America have done the same. It could end up losing factories and critical air assets by a wave of drones and missiles from Japan. China can rebuilt them but they take time and days matter in the beginning of war.
economy didn't even build to support aggressive behavior lead to scare of fighting , don't dare to act aggressive , and even in case of fighting > it also cause scare to escalate cause so many trouble

in a world of "deterrence" . the winner alway be the one show more aggressive behavior dare to escalate first

and the loser alway be the one dont dare to tit for tat , eye for an eye follow thought

just look at russia right now , throw around empty nuclear threat for 5 years now ukraine with US/europe hell even canada and japan supprot openly lob missile and drone attack deep inside russia hit many big city , assassinated many high ranking military offical right in middle of moscow ...

if i ...a nobody can see that , don't be surprise some big head in pentagon and tokyo also able to
 

tokenanalyst

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Would RE/CM restrictions stop Japan though? It’s possible that restricting so much to them would only push them further to war and give them time to prepare to strike China. I think there should be physical threat included.

If a us china war starts, after the initial strike on US bases, China could give Japan one last chance to stay out of the war. But to do that it needs to build that massive stockpile. It’s hard to argue you wouldn’t be crushed under millions of drones confirmed to exist already. If they decide to continue the war, then response should be immediate and immense. I think the easiest and cheapest way to stop cheap drones from hitting you is by attacking the other side first.

However, I’m concerned if China doesn’t begin with massive comprehensive overwhelming fire because

1. it wants to stick with its “we’ll never fire the first shot” saying.
2. half asses the salvo for fear of escalating too far or not wanting to look barbaric on the world stage.
3. Think that sparing some of japans factories will show it mercy and have them surrender quickly.

It would incredibly stupid but not out of the question as Russia and America have done the same. It could end up losing factories and critical air assets by a wave of drones and missiles from Japan. China can rebuilt them but they take time and days matter in the beginning of war.
Even if that is that is the case you are seriously underestimating how massive China as a country is and how much stuff is in the country, and is a country with huge strategic depth, you will likely to deplete your entire arsenal in a month before doing any significant damage.

And in top of that Similar to Iran has a probably the biggest network of military tunnels of any country, with even underground fabrication facilities. That was China strategy from the 80s and 90s to deal with superior US military.

Yes you may hit stuff here and there but for countries in the region who are islands where everything is packed together with little or zero strategic depth is going to hell on earth when they start to get fire back. They could be deindustrialized really fast. Is ridiculous to even think about it.​
 

Wrought

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It's all values this and values that, until they see the price tag.

The Dumpling Alliance was coined by the Taiwan Digital Diplomacy Association to foster closer bonds between Taiwan and Poland, Lithuania, Slovakia and the Czech Republic after they donated COVID-19 vaccines. The term riffs off the “Milk Tea Alliance,” a largely leaderless, pro-democracy youth movement in Asia, and plays on the fact each place traditionally has dumplings in its cuisine. Yet Beijing has a way of eventually convincing nations to see its version of Taiwan issues.

Gone are big displays of allegiance, such as when Lithuania put itself in China’s economic crosshairs in 2021 with the opening in Vilnius of a “Taiwanese Representative Office.” Now countries face the delicate task of trying to support Taiwan while also securing trade and investment from China, especially as the U.S. becomes a less reliable partner under President Donald Trump. In some cases, a change of government has brought in leaders who talk about balancing ties with China and Taiwan, even accusing their predecessors of supporting the latter too much.

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externallisting

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If you're wondering what this is about, this is the EEC announced by Philippines and Japan:

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CCG is challenging it by putting their ships right in that area east of Taiwan.

Seen as DPP over in ROC isn't doing anything and instead CPC is stepping up and defending Chinese sovereignty, this inevitably draws comparison between ROC as it currently exists in Taiwan and Wang Jingwei's RNG during WW2. Even Taiwanese media doesn't have kind words for it:
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Even on PTT opinions are divided:
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Mind helping me out with this source? I think Asia maritime transparency initiative but a tad pixellated

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lol, CSIS

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lcloo

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how quickly can factories be retooled to produce a mass number of drones and jets etc? I assume China doesn’t just have the factories always ready to produce that many since that would be a waste most of the time.
Peace time production rates depend on sales orders. There is always un-utilized production capacity. They could easily double production rates. For military related items 4X war time production rate vs peace time should be expected, they always have contingency plans for production surge as well as new production sites should existing ones destroyed in attacks.
 

plawolf

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Peace time production rates depend on sales orders. There is always un-utilized production capacity. They could easily double production rates. For military related items 4X war time production rate vs peace time should be expected, they always have contingency plans for production surge as well as new production sites should existing ones destroyed in attacks.

It’s a bit of a stretch to suggest that civilian factories would only be operating at 50% capacity in China’s hyper competitive business environment.

However, at the same time that 2X production increase estimate is almost certainly massively underestimating China’s war economic transition capabilities because China is far and away the world’s biggest and most comprehensive maker of industrial tools and production systems, especially so in cutting edge stuff like 3D printing and high automation production.

China’s greatest strength lies not in massive existing overcapacity as the Europeans and Americans accuses, but in how rapidly and comprehensively its manufacturing industry can pivot and spin up brand new production capacity.

COVID19 is probably the only remotely appropriate case study, and if you examine the scale, scope and speed at which Chinese industry was able to ramp up production of medical supplies (not just basics like face masks and gloves, but also testing kits, high end intensive care medical equipment and whole new hospitals etc), you will get a taster of the scale and scope of the changes possible.
 

Mar ling

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It’s a bit of a stretch to suggest that civilian factories would only be operating at 50% capacity in China’s hyper competitive business environment.
Because of a hyper-competitive business environment, manufacturers require decreased operating costs. The market size is limited; producing too many products only leads to unsold stock and bankruptcy.
 

plawolf

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Because of a hyper-competitive business environment, manufacturers require decreased operating costs. The market size is limited; producing too many products only leads to unsold stock and bankruptcy.

So why eat all that additional fixed overheads?

One of the true strengths of Chinese manufacturing is how fast they can scale up and down.

If I normally make 100k units a month but I got a one-off bulk order for 500k units to be delivered in 3 months, is far better to either take out a short term lease and rent production machines and bring in a bunch of temp labour, or even subcontractor out part of the work, rather than make the massive fixed investments needed to permanently increase production capacity to be able to meet that spike in demand.

If in the course of fulfilling this bulk order I secure more such orders, I can just extend the lease arrangements for however long it’s necessary, and if demand continues to be at that level, then it’s a far smaller additional cost to make that arrangement more permanent.

That’s how most SME businesses operate, partly due to the additional safety margins of not being potentially overextended with long term commitments, and partly due to the reality that most companies are unlikely to have the financial means to massively permanently increase their output due to the huge financial outlay that would entail.
 
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