PLA Small arms

EdgeOfEcho

EdgeOfEcho

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steel21 said:
The data sheet states that it is fed from a double stacked, single fed magazine.

A combat pistol is the weapon of last resort. I would trade off comfort for ammo capacity any day. You are not support to sit around and try to get a perfect grip with your custom stipple job Gucci Glock (Agency/ZEV).
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Nice catch, I mistranslated that part, it indeed said it is fed from a double stacked, single fed-magazine.

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However, it kind of seems like QSZ193's magazine is single stack, especially when compared to QSZ92A/B's double stacked magazine.
First, it seems like QSZ193's magazine is a lot slimmer than QSZ92A/B's magazine. Second, if QSZ193's magazine is indeed double stack, single feed, then the top of the magazine should have a / \ shaped angle (which is present on the QSZ193A/B's magazine), but from the picture it seems like QSZ193's magazine is pretty flat like a 1911 magazine.

For comparison, here are some pictures of 1911 magazines (single stack) vs Glock magazines (double stack)

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supersnoop

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Just wondering, has there been any Chinese prototypes of electrically fired guns?
In the past the logistics of making troops carry batteries and ammo made it a non-starter, but as energy density increases, and the fact that there are so many "digitial soldier" type programs, batteries are becoming a necessity.
By dispensing with gas system and simplified trigger, you could save a decent amount of weight.
 
TerraN_EmpirE

TerraN_EmpirE

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supersnoop said:
Just wondering, has there been any Chinese prototypes of electrically fired guns?
In the past the logistics of making troops carry batteries and ammo made it a non-starter, but as energy density increases, and the fact that there are so many "digitial soldier" type programs, batteries are becoming a necessity.
By dispensing with gas system and simplified trigger, you could save a decent amount of weight.
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You would really just be shifting weight from the cartridge to the battery packs. From all practical aspects the bullet reigns and will continue to well into this century.
 
by78

by78

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WR2004 rocket appears to be in service with PLAAF Airborne.

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Maxef208

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TerraN_EmpirE said:
You would really just be shifting weight from the cartridge to the battery packs. From all practical aspects the bullet reigns and will continue to well into this century.
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But I want lasguns already. The logistical dream.
ohan_qwe said:
Why do China use RPG with iron sight? To save weight?
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RPG's actually usually have iron sights..the optics have always been luxury.
 
Norinco_81

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yikustudi said:
Don't forget about important safety feature that exposed hammer pistols have is that can be easily de-cocked unlike striker fired or internal hammer. One thing i noticed about all of these PLA pistol currently posted here is that most of them have an external safety switch. I don't know whether it's because they prefer it so much or possibly there were many safety concern like AD in the field. It could also be that internal safety design is currently too complex for them to make reliably. Maybe someone can explain.
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Most major militaries issue hammer fired DA/SA handguns as service pistols, including the US and Russia. I can't speak for other militaries but I can say in the US military, the top brass don't even trust their own troops with small arms, let alone handguns. Small arms training is actually abysmal which is why gun nuts like me paid out of pocket for training by guys like Travis Haley, Chris Costa, etc.

The military has to cater to the lowest common denominator and there have been plenty of instances of Pvt Dumbass playing russian roulette with other Pvts or 2nd Lt. Cantreadamap having a negligent discharge at the cleaning barrels of a major FOB. This plus the fact that the US military spends more time on BS fuck fuck games rather than on quality training is most likely the reason why the M9, M17 and all the other XM-17 handgun submissions had to have external safeties.

I've noticed with all the PLA and PAP Douyin training videos I've seen they do "Israeli Carry" (which I am absolutely against btw) so what is the point of an external safety on the QZS series?

A standard Glock is absolutely safe to carry if everyone is well trained with handgun manipulation.
 
Aniah

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Norinco_81 said:
Most major militaries issue hammer fired DA/SA handguns as service pistols, including the US and Russia. I can't speak for other militaries but I can say in the US military, the top brass don't even trust their own troops with small arms, let alone handguns. Small arms training is actually abysmal which is why gun nuts like me paid out of pocket for training by guys like Travis Haley, Chris Costa, etc.

The military has to cater to the lowest common denominator and there have been plenty of instances of Pvt Dumbass playing russian roulette with other Pvts or 2nd Lt. Cantreadamap having a negligent discharge at the cleaning barrels of a major FOB. This plus the fact that the US military spends more time on BS fuck fuck games rather than on quality training is most likely the reason why the M9, M17 and all the other XM-17 handgun submissions had to have external safeties.

I've noticed with all the PLA and PAP Douyin training videos I've seen they do "Israeli Carry" (which I am absolutely against btw) so what is the point of an external safety on the QZS series?

A standard Glock is absolutely safe to carry if everyone is well trained with handgun manipulation.
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Is the Israeli Carry really that bad? I also watch the PLA and PAP on Douyin do it but never really understood it.
 
LawLeadsToPeace

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Aniah said:
Is the Israeli Carry really that bad? I also watch the PLA and PAP on Douyin do it but never really understood it.
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The Israeli carry can slow down your reaction time since you would have to rack your pistol’s slide in order to load one round into the chamber. If your pistol is on safety as well, your reaction time will be even slower. However supporters believe that your pistol can potentially go off due to temperature, body movement, and etc. It has always been a point of contention among concealed carry weapon (ccw) permit holders, police and military. I would have to agree with @Norinco_81 in regards to the safety mechanism since it is redundant if you are using the Israeli carry.
 
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