PLA Small arms

Kejora said:

India claims they captured Chinese weapons from Kashmiri militants. Some of them are EMEI made flat top QBZ-97.

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LOL, this gun may have been smuggled in from Canada, its literally our most popular gun now that the liberals banned a whole bunch of AR-15s. I just recently purchased the gen 3 version of this which is Mlok, not keymod. I didn't know they exported this to pakistan as well.

From an objective standpoint, its not actually a good gun because the ergonomics are quite bad, especially the location of the safety. Its more of a "space gun" canadians get because it looks quite futuristic, and isn't as expensive as Tavor. Its materially worse than the actual QBZ-95 which they have actually fixed most of the issues.

Not sure if it had been posted, but apparently the early magazine for qbz-95 was straight and then curved like stanag magazine.

j17wang said:

LOL, this gun may have been smuggled in from Canada, its literally our most popular gun now that the liberals banned a whole bunch of AR-15s. I just recently purchased the gen 3 version of this which is Mlok, not keymod. I didn't know they exported this to pakistan as well.

From an objective standpoint, its not actually a good gun because the ergonomics are quite bad, especially the location of the safety. Its more of a "space gun" canadians get because it looks quite futuristic, and isn't as expensive as Tavor. Its materially worse than the actual QBZ-95 which they have actually fixed most of the issues.

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Interesting they didn’t bother introducing any of the 95 improvements on the export 97s. It should be a fairly simple and straight forward change considering they should be able to just swap in a 95-1 lower and make it to a 97 upper. Although I suppose that would be for military sales. For the civilian market they would obviously need to remove the select fire capabilities in such a way as to not be easily reactivated after sales, which might add some costs.

Kejora said:

Not sure if it had been posted, but apparently the early magazine for qbz-95 was straight and then curved like stanag magazine.
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This isn't a QBZ-95. It's one of the several prototypes submitted to a competition to determine the next service rifle. I posted about them here and here. The winner of that competition was further developed and eventually became the QBZ-95.

j17wang said:

LOL, this gun may have been smuggled in from Canada, its literally our most popular gun now that the liberals banned a whole bunch of AR-15s. I just recently purchased the gen 3 version of this which is Mlok, not keymod. I didn't know they exported this to pakistan as well.

From an objective standpoint, its not actually a good gun because the ergonomics are quite bad, especially the location of the safety. Its more of a "space gun" canadians get because it looks quite futuristic, and isn't as expensive as Tavor. Its materially worse than the actual QBZ-95 which they have actually fixed most of the issues.

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plawolf said:

Interesting they didn’t bother introducing any of the 95 improvements on the export 97s. It should be a fairly simple and straight forward change considering they should be able to just swap in a 95-1 lower and make it to a 97 upper. Although I suppose that would be for military sales. For the civilian market they would obviously need to remove the select fire capabilities in such a way as to not be easily reactivated after sales, which might add some costs.

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Probably due to civilian market isn't big enough to warrant that much of a makeover? In theory that'd no just to adopt the selective fire mechanism on QBZ95-1, they've to make it so to comply the civilian codes in the export market that it is semi-auto and stay that way i.e. not easily modified to full-auto.

In other words, too much work for not that much of a gain...Norinco knows what the civilian Type 97 is a niche market stuff, a range toy; military and LEO markets will buy something like the AR-15 or such.

MwRYum said:

Probably due to civilian market isn't big enough to warrant that much of a makeover? In theory that'd no just to adopt the selective fire mechanism on QBZ95-1, they've to make it so to comply the civilian codes in the export market that it is semi-auto and stay that way i.e. not easily modified to full-auto.

In other words, too much work for not that much of a gain...Norinco knows what the civilian Type 97 is a niche market stuff, a range toy; military and LEO markets will buy something like the AR-15 or such.

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Wonder if they will make a civilian type 191. Would be nice but then I remember I live in CA... Rip me.

ohan_qwe said:

QBZ-97 is sold in Pakistan to civilians and nothing strange that someone brought one over the border. It's like finding a school shooter in US with a Russian AK.

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Actually that would be remarkably strange for a number of reasons. Reason you clearly don’t know about.
First school shootings are rare. Even in supposed Wild West of the US the odds of a student being involved in a school shooting are about 1 in 2million.
Second use of long arms in crime in the US is rare 3%.
The two together is a unicorn. It has happened but then again so does winning the powerball.
Third the US has a ban on imported weapons from a number of nations including both Russia and China. China has been banned since forever these days, Russia from 2004- 2014 The few that made it into country were during short periods, then they had to match import restrictions that would require remanufacturing to get anything even resembling an AK making it a triple unicorn event.

Bright Sword said:

Rather out of date but did the PLA use Dragunov's ever?

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Yes. Type 79, Type 85. Those are the type classification of the NDM 86 based on the optics.

this photo is clearly dated and shows PAP. I can’t find any PLA photos yet based on what we know of the doctrine the QBU 88 was meant to replace the SVD clones.

Kejora said:

New striker fired handgun?

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MwRYum said:

Probably due to civilian market isn't big enough to warrant that much of a makeover? In theory that'd no just to adopt the selective fire mechanism on QBZ95-1, they've to make it so to comply the civilian codes in the export market that it is semi-auto and stay that way i.e. not easily modified to full-auto.

In other words, too much work for not that much of a gain...Norinco knows what the civilian Type 97 is a niche market stuff, a range toy; military and LEO markets will buy something like the AR-15 or such.

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Actually one of the biggest concerns in the first batch of shipments of T97 into Canada was that one of the semi-auto's was to easy to revert back to full auto with only light mechanical knowledge.

There are alot of issues with T97, like the awkward placement of the safety at the back of the stock and the fact that it is still not ambidextrous. Either way chinese firearms are very popular in Canada, and are quite established since at least the past 10 years. Even with whats going on between china and the west, if you visit the canadian gun forums you still see a healthy amount of respect for chinese arms, mostly because if you go to any range at least 1-2 people will be shooting an SKS or Type 97. There are entire businesses in Canada that are dedicated to specifically modifying both the M305 and T97 from china.

It wouldn't surprise me if Canada is actually the largest civilian arms export market for china. We recently got a batch of new build Type 81 LMGs into Canada which was sold out in 6 hours. Basically demand is large enough that an arms dealer was able to convince NORINCO to restart production of at least 1,000 type 81 rifles that were Canada compliant. Remember, this is a weapon that has not been produced in china for years. The only small arms that isn't sold in Canada from China are centerfire bolt-action sniper rifles, although we are trying to get those imported as well.

Re-posting a lost image. 14.5mm anti-materiel sniper rifle.

by78 said:

Re-posting a lost image. 14.5mm anti-materiel sniper rifle.

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Single-shot?