PLA Small arms

TerraN_EmpirE said:

Wolf I can give you most of this but...

In a vast portion of the third world. The weapons of choice for all three civilian, military and law enforcement are the same AK. It's when you move to the developed world that the SMG and pistol becomes more prevalent and where you start getting higher and tighter restrictions on gun ownership and regulation.
In a place where the citizenry lack any major firearms avalibility like the PRC there and then Pistols are often the heavy hitter and SMG's are the over achiever. Most of the Third world though have all three factions the two government arms and citizenry as well as possible threats packing the same weapons.

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Um, I thought we were talking about the west and maybe also China? For most 3rd world countries, police simply don’t have the budget for SMGs and make do with military surplus. Even in China, only the SWAT from a few rich cities have the budget for SMGs, even home made ones. The bulk of the PAP still uses military rifles and most Chinese beat cops only get a sidearm at most.

It’s not really a choice if they cannot afford the alternative.

Although I don’t think ballistics or the nature of urban policing is any different in 1st or 3 red world countries. Police using an AK or M16/AR15 in urban areas will run a big over penetration risk. And in most 3rd world nations, body armour is rare even for the police.

Although I must admit I was careless in using term ‘rest of the world’ when I should have said the rest of the West.

plawolf said:

Um, I thought we were talking about the west and maybe also China? For most 3rd world countries, police simply don’t have the budget for SMGs and make do with military surplus. Even in China, only the SWAT from a few rich cities have the budget for SMGs, even home made ones. The bulk of the PAP still uses military rifles and most Chinese beat cops only get a sidearm at most.

It’s not really a choice if they cannot afford the alternative.

Although I don’t think ballistics or the nature of urban policing is any different in 1st or 3 red world countries. Police using an AK or M16/AR15 in urban areas will run a big over penetration risk. And in most 3rd world nations, body armour is rare even for the police.

Although I must admit I was careless in using term ‘rest of the world’ when I should have said the rest of the West.

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Beat cops get batons or pepper sprays at most.

look wolf take it on a case by case.
In the US you have individual departments who make buys on there own and often side away from FMJ.
In Europe they often get there kit right from the Military or at a state level.

my point was and is that When compared to a Carbine the SMG's size is not an advantage as types like the MP5 and Type 16 are the same size as most carbines. for export that phases down interest for some buyers in the Close VVIP security area. pins it in the SWAT arena.

TerraN_EmpirE said:

look wolf take it on a case by case.
In the US you have individual departments who make buys on there own and often side away from FMJ.
In Europe they often get there kit right from the Military or at a state level.

my point was and is that When compared to a Carbine the SMG's size is not an advantage as types like the MP5 and Type 16 are the same size as most carbines. for export that phases down interest for some buyers in the Close VVIP security area. pins it in the SWAT arena.

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Is it given a designated number already?

TerraN_EmpirE said:

I don't think you can embed from Twitter into this forum. Photos are another story.

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According to you yes.

Dfangsaur said:

One of them new CS/LR 9mm SMGs. Apparently designated type16 according to OedoSoldier

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TerraN_EmpirE said:

According to you yes.

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I said apparently because I wasn’t sure I was just quoting oedosoldier. I guess this is how the rumour starts lol.

IWA 18 Norinco showed
NZ85B which is a CZ85 clne with accessory rail
CF98-9 The 9mm version of the PLA issued type 98.
Norinco M1911A1 clone classic

( I am not posting images of them as they are all well known. )
Norinco M1911A1 Double Stacked with rail which might be a custom build or maybe they want to try and get that sweet Para Ordinance money....

NZ85F which is of all things a CZ Shadow 2 clone in 7.62x25 Tokerov


AR15 Styled 12 gauge Shotgun sign identifies it as a Type EMS 123 There are other versions to The EMS123A with a different hand guard. who was also showing a expending line including 12 gauge AK's and Tavor style shotguns

Another Tacticool EMS 124 pump action.

no signs of the pump though that hand guard looks like a Mloc style system.
EMS 121 model for your Chinese 12 gauge AK needs.

As stated above There is a Turkish maker who make 12Gauge Ak's there is also of course the Original Russian Maker Saiga.

TerraN_EmpirE said:

IWA 18 Norinco showed
NZ85B which is a CZ85 clne with accessory rail
CF98-9 The 9mm version of the PLA issued type 98.
Norinco M1911A1 clone classic

( I am not posting images of them as they are all well known. )
Norinco M1911A1 Double Stacked with rail which might be a custom build or maybe they want to try and get that sweet Para Ordinance money.... View attachment 45858

NZ85F which is of all things a CZ Shadow 2 clone in 7.62x25 Tokerov
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AR15 Styled 12 gauge Shotgun sign identifies it as a Type EMS 123 There are other versions to The EMS123A with a different hand guard.

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who was also showing a expending line including 12 gauge AK's and Tavor style shotguns
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Another Tacticool EMS 124 pump action.
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no signs of the pump though that hand guard looks like a Mloc style system.
EMS 121 model for your Chinese 12 gauge AK needs.
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As stated above There is a Turkish maker who make 12Gauge Ak's there is also of course the Original Russian Maker Saiga.

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I want an AA 12 with drum mag and HE shells... for the impending zombie ‍ apocalypse.

kwaigonegin said:

I want an AA 12 with drum mag and HE shells... for the impending zombie ‍ apocalypse.

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I just want to know Who in the name of heck thinks 7.62 Tokarov belongs in any pistol made after 1970.

TerraN_EmpirE said:

I just want to know Who in the name of heck thinks 7.62 Tokarov belongs in any pistol made after 1970.

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A sure fire "one shot one kill" method on a easy to carry pistol to kill zombies perhaps.