PLA Next Generation Main Battle Tank

alanch90

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This is evidentally not going to be true for China as it will face off against possible heavily armored western tank for expeditionary warfare hence requiring advance capabilities. Plus what you said and what I said isn't in conflict as I said the FCS was never meant to produce a true MBT(Abrams successor) because as you said the US army didn't think there would be any future threats.
Well in hindisght its always easy to pick up on the mistakes. But back in the 90s if you would even suggest that China would one day rival or even surpass the US at anything they would just laugh in your face and send you to a mental hospital. That was the mentality back then, so US engaged in all sorts of colonial warfare everywhere with no thought given about overstretching, because again, at most they would be fighting people barely armed with rifles. They thought they could do whatever the f they wanted and that was that.
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Type 99A is a design stemming from the weaker technological ages of China, no matter how people like to say it is highly modified and "westernised" compared to the original Type 99. It still uses old soviet AZ autoloader with no thought given to modern drone warfare and urban warfare. Also as I said advanced armor is still required to hold chokepoints and speerhead assaults etc even for expeditionary warfare which the 99A no longer suffices for. In fact I believe most equipment stemming from the age of "小步快跑" or catching up to western standards should be phased out of service or moved to second/third/training duty as soon as convenient. As the PLA is currently both financially and technologically capable of producing top of the line AFVs even compared to top western counterparts and hence should do so(as they are rumored to be doing already).

tl;dr I believe 99A is a product from a time where Chinese technological prowess have not reached world class level yet and hence not suitable for further major modifications due to compromises taken with the design.
This is the same mentality that got the US to exhaust its resources on useless programs. New toys just for the sake of new toys. And look at their situation now. They failed at every new AFV development program for the last 30 years or so, with the last one (M10) proving to be an absolute mess from the doctrinal and requirement point of view. So they end up with a platform thats inconvenient for any kind of practical use they could give it. The Chinese have been wise enough to just sit back, watch them fail and learn.
Because again, the 99A at most would be used against a country that is today the most important ally China has (it wasn´t all that clear at all 15 years ago, when the tank was in development), who by the way has and will retain the bulk of its military capabilities deployed literally on a different continent altogether.
On the other hand, the Chinese can look at the Russians literally squeezing all the value as they can from their limited budget and succesfully modernizing the T-72 platform in a way that is relatively very cheap and also reaching current top performing tank capabilities. There is no reason the Chinese can´t exploit the 99A platform growth/modernization potential to a similar extent.
 

Atomicfrog

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But if next generation tanks are going for light weight unmanned turrets why is this tank's turret so massive?
We have seen multiple box and case on turret blowing up diminishing HEAT round effect in Ukraine that having a huge turret full of empty space for tool, cammo net, supplies, etc is not a bad thing by itself.

It does make a bigger silhouette if it out of proportion.
 

BasilicaLew

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What do autoloaders with thoughts given to modern drone and urban warfare look like? Also, Type 99A is pretty comparable to other MBT, what compromises are you talking about?
Personally I believe ERA is only useful if your fighting other tanks, ERA on Russian tanks seem to be not very useful, because once it "intercepts" a single drone carrying a RPG, usally they hit the same spot with another drone. But with NERA it isn't a single use, and it's even worse on the type-99a with the large ERA blocks. A true 4th generation would be able to swap out ERA with NERA on the go, depending on the threat. And all autoloaders should be bustle, it allows larger single AP rounds and blowout panels. And one thing the Abrams X has over other 4th generation prototypes is it 30 mm grenade launcher system, as it can launch proximity fuse grenades, thus being able to better handle drones.
 

gelgoog

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Bustle mounted autoloaders aren't a panacea. Another option would be to switch to an electric or electrothermal main gun. Or to switch to binary chemical propellant.
 

Tomboy

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Personally I believe ERA is only useful if your fighting other tanks, ERA on Russian tanks seem to be not very useful, because once it "intercepts" a single drone carrying a RPG, usally they hit the same spot with another drone. But with NERA it isn't a single use, and it's even worse on the type-99a with the large ERA blocks. A true 4th generation would be able to swap out ERA with NERA on the go, depending on the threat. And all autoloaders should be bustle, it allows larger single AP rounds and blowout panels. And one thing the Abrams X has over other 4th generation prototypes is it 30 mm grenade launcher system, as it can launch proximity fuse grenades, thus being able to better handle drones.
IMO, I think future MBTs/light tanks would require atleast a 30mm RWS with a large degree of motion independent of the turret to fire 30mm proximity fuse shells against drones as a hard kill system until other close in defenses like direct energy weapons become mature enough to be mounted on tanks. It would also provide adequate anti-personnel coverage with 30mm cannon. I agree with the part about ERAs being single use and capable of being defeated by advanced penetrators which I assume is one of the reason no visible ERA is used on the new tank.
Bustle mounted autoloaders aren't a panacea. Another option would be to switch to an electric or electrothermal main gun. Or to switch to binary chemical propellant.
IMO the current bustle loaders have issues with ready rack capacity, I'm pretty sure Leclercs can only mount 24 rounds inside the autoloader with extra rounds placed inside the crew compartment. I'm also pretty sure most ETC guns fire use shells with similar propellant as normal shells hence are still capable of cooking off when hit even when using advanced insensitive propellants. It's just more difficult to set off but doesn't reduce the risk completely. I think the biggest thing with 4th gen tanks would be fully seperating the crew and ammo with enclosed capsules and unmanned turrets so even if ammo is setoff crew will still have a high likely chance to survive.
 
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