PLA Next Generation Main Battle Tank

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qwerty3173 said:
All these figures are simply results of AI picture recognition, take that if you will but I would recommend everyone to enlarge image and look closely by themselves. Ayi is also simply re posting from other sources. An advanced era plate by itself can provide much more protection against HEAT than 480mm RHA.
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AFAIK Type 100 doesn't use ERA? Look closely on the armor package, it's simply composite blocks not ERAs. Also, 800mm purely from ERA is outside the bound of even
Relickt/FY-5 type, seems unlikely while 480-500mm is on the higher side but realistic capacity of composite blocks.
 
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Tomboy said:
AFAIK Type 100 doesn't use ERA? Look closely on the armor package, it's simply composite blocks not ERAs. Also, 800mm purely from ERA is outside the bound of even
Relickt/FY-5 type, seems unlikely while 480-500mm is on the higher side but realistic capacity of composite blocks.
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The side additional armor plates are very certainly ERA plates, though yes, the frontal main defense area does not have ERA installed, yet. And one would be a bit insane to assume that a 35t vehicle can support the weight of side composite blocks, which are a lot heavier than ERA. The 800mm figure comes from a combination of newer generation ERA and quite probably titanium based foundational armor.
 
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qwerty3173 said:
The side additional armor plates are very certainly ERA plates, though yes, the frontal main defense area does not have ERA installed, yet. And one would be a bit insane to assume that a 35t vehicle can support the weight of side composite blocks, which are a lot heavier than ERA. The 800mm figure comes from a combination of newer generation ERA and quite probably titanium
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I don't think this is the case, China is clearly moving away from ERA and putting more focus on NERA. Also, ERAs are not magic, for maximum protection the projectile must hit at an angle to the plate, otherwise if its perfectly perpendicular it's not very effective which is also why side ERA on Russian tanks do not protect as much protection as frontal ones despite being the same type. So, even if it's ERA on the side it'll be very difficult to be rated for up to 800mm. There are different types of composite, some are lighter and more HEAT focused while some are more balanced though they typically are heavier.
 
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Here's my interpretation:
车体、炮塔周向可防DTC10式30毫米脱壳穿甲弹。（1级防护）
Hull and turret all-around protection: Resists DTC-10 30mm APFSDS. (Level 1 Protection)
车体侧面可防56式14.5毫米穿甲燃烧弹。（1级防护）
Hull sides: Resist Type 56 14.5mm API. (Level 1 Protection)
车体后面、顶部可防54式12.7毫米穿甲燃烧弹。（1级防护）
Hull rear and roof: Resist Type 54 12.7mm API. (Level 1 Protection)
车体正面防穿甲≈700毫米均质钢装甲（2级防护）
Hull front (vs. AP/Kinetic): Equivalent to ≈ 700mm RHA. (Level 2 Protection)
车体正面防破甲≈800毫米均质钢装甲（2级防护）
Hull front (vs. HEAT): Equivalent to ≈ 800mm RHA. (Level 2 Protection)
车体侧面防单兵火箭弹≈600毫米均质钢装甲。（2级防护）
Hull sides (vs. man-portable rockets): Equivalent to ≈ 600mm RHA. (Level 2 Protection)
车体侧面防……。（2级防护）
Hull sides: [can't read] (Level 2 Protection)
炮塔顶部防攻顶子弹≈100毫米均质钢装甲。（2级防护）
Turret roof (vs. top-attack munitions): Equivalent to ≈ 100mm RHA. (Level 2 Protection)
底部可防8千克TNT当量爆破型反坦克地雷。（2级防护）
Bottom: Resists blast-type anti-tank mines with 8kg TNT equivalent. (Level 2 Protection)
 
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OedoSoldier said:
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Here's my interpretation:
车体、炮塔周向可防DTC10式30毫米脱壳穿甲弹。（1级防护）
Hull and turret all-around protection: Resists DTC-10 30mm APFSDS. (Level 1 Protection)
车体侧面可防56式14.5毫米穿甲燃烧弹。（1级防护）
Hull sides: Resist Type 56 14.5mm API. (Level 1 Protection)
车体后面、顶部可防54式12.7毫米穿甲燃烧弹。（1级防护）
Hull rear and roof: Resist Type 54 12.7mm API. (Level 1 Protection)
车体正面防穿甲≈700毫米均质钢装甲（2级防护）
Hull front (vs. AP/Kinetic): Equivalent to ≈ 700mm RHA. (Level 2 Protection)
车体正面防破甲≈800毫米均质钢装甲（2级防护）
Hull front (vs. HEAT): Equivalent to ≈ 800mm RHA. (Level 2 Protection)
车体侧面防单兵火箭弹≈600毫米均质钢装甲。（2级防护）
Hull sides (vs. man-portable rockets): Equivalent to ≈ 600mm RHA. (Level 2 Protection)
车体侧面防……。（2级防护）
Hull sides: [can't read] (Level 2 Protection)
炮塔顶部防攻顶子弹≈100毫米均质钢装甲。（2级防护）
Turret roof (vs. top-attack munitions): Equivalent to ≈ 100mm RHA. (Level 2 Protection)
底部可防8千克TNT当量爆破型反坦克地雷。（2级防护）
Bottom: Resists blast-type anti-tank mines with 8kg TNT equivalent. (Level 2 Protection)
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车体、炮塔周向可防DTC10式30毫米脱壳穿甲弹。（1级防护）
Hull and turret all-around protection: Resists DTC-10 30mm APFSDS. (Level 1 Protection)
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车体、炮塔正面可防DTC10式30毫米脱壳穿甲弹。（1级防护）
Hull and turret front protection: Resists DTC-10 30mm APFSDS. (Level 1 Protection)
 
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Sorry, my keyboard's 6 key is broken, so the 7.62 was mistyped as 7.2mm. And yes, my translation img was spread widely, there is a lot of unknown info and maybe wrong, please do not take it seriously, only translate based on img. Something to clarify:
1. The speed I think it may be 85, not 65
2. the total width is either 3700 or 37xx. there are 2 way to verify this: firstly, the 3600mm is a well-kown limit for rail transportation through culvert, but the parade in Beijing did not have this extreme limit, plus we know the side armor is for lv-2 protection, the lv-1 protection version's width I believe is below 3600 limit. Secondly, according to PLA camouflage GJB (national army standard), each square edge is equal or larger than 100mm, so you can count the how many squares on the front hull. From my observation, is more than 36.
 
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plawolf

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Are we sure its top speed isn't 85km/h? 65 seems a little low for something that's 35 tons with a 1500hp engine.
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Engine power and weight aren’t the only limits to speed. I suspect the core limiting factor would be gearing. After all, what’s the point in putting in a super high gear that would allow it to top 100km/h on a perfectly straight and smooth highway when you are never going to encounter such conditions in real life and that gear will stall out in most real life use scenarios? Even if you do encounter highways in combat, who would be stupid enough to go bombing down it at 100km/h?
 
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Tomboy said:
AFAIK Type 100 doesn't use ERA? Look closely on the armor package, it's simply composite blocks not ERAs. Also, 800mm purely from ERA is outside the bound of even
Relickt/FY-5 type, seems unlikely while 480-500mm is on the higher side but realistic capacity of composite blocks.
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Just to see things in perspective: Relikt is 20 years old. It could also be that the front of the tank can also stop rounds more powerful than 30mm APFSDS (circa 150mm of penetration) but still need reactive add on armor (not necessarily ERA) to be able to stop 700mm capable ammunition.
 
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Does anybody know if the new APS can hit APFSDS rods? Some modern day penetrators already exceed 700 or 800mm in length like the M829A4 and performance will probably only get better with new propellants. The >700mm rated armor could be penetrated already if there's no APS interference.
 
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