PLA new high-mobility vehicle thread

[Kampfwagen]

It kind of reminds me of WW2 Germany with what has been said here. There were so many diffrent designs for various weapons and vehicles that there were TOO many, and it drew both resources and funds away from continuing to develop on proven designs and also put the army units into chaos with new and unfamiliar designs.

 

[MIGleader]

well, unlike ww2 germany, china is not at war. it can afford to take its time to compare every possible combination of vehicles to make the perfect transport force. hurrying normally results in disaster. besides, the chinese humvee is already a proven vehicle, both in the civilian feilds and with other militaries.

 

[Kampfwagen]

Well, thank you for the clarification. But I have to ask, why do they only feild it to the elite units and not the whole of the army if cost issues arent a problem? Now of course, testing and feilding with the elite units may just be a prelude to mass replacement of the older BJ2020's with the regular units.

 

[MIGleader]

cost most certainly is an issue. the hummer is pretty expensive(the civilian h2costs over $50000!). the hummer is thus for elite units, while the brave warrior is for replacement of bj2020s. the same can be said for the type 96 and 98 tanks.

 

[akita]

The American Humvee (Hummer) is NOT a GM or Ford product. It was developed and is sold to military customers by A.M.General Corporation.

General Motors bought a license to sell civilian versions and developed two follow-on civilian clones, the H2 and H3.

The Chinese Donfeng version is built with the assistance of AM General and they are implementing the complete indigenozation of the vehicle. It is actually, (to my eyes at least), a better looking 4x4 than the American original.

The Humvee does not compete with the BJ2020 class of Jeep--they are complimentary. The U.S. military always uses jeeps, CUCVs, etc...as lower cost/lower-capability compliments for less demanding roles.

Ben James
Oklahoma, USA

 

[hallo84]

cost most certainly is an issue. the hummer is pretty expensive(the civilian h2costs over $50000!). the hummer is thus for elite units, while the brave warrior is for replacement of bj2020s. the same can be said for the type 96 and 98 tanks.

civilian h2 isn't the Hmmwv. It's built off a Jeep 4x4 SUV chassis. Which makes it one expensive gas guzzling luxury SUV but I would never take it for extreme off road. The shocks and wheels won't hold up to the abuse. I won't be surprised if the axle cracks in under a day. Same could be said for brave warrior.

 

[akita]

The Civilian H2 is based on the General Motors (Chevy and GMC) Suburban large SUV, not a Jeep chassis. Jeep is a Chrysler (now Daimler Chrysler) product, part owners of Beijing Jeep Corporation.

Ben James
Oklahoma, USA

 

[Butthead3977]

isn't it true that the american's are looking to replace the Humvee?

 

[akita]

Yes they are. But the process will take years and, in the meantime, they are still buying very large numbers of new Humvees.

I think the PLA made a very wise decision to invest in the Dongfeng version of the Humvee. It has 3 times the load capacity of the BJ Jeep, has a fuel-efficient Cummins diesel engine, (which DFM now builds under in partnership with Cummins USA) and it is adaptable to hundreds of roles.

I predict it will lead to the phase out of purchase of new Iveco light trucks.

The little BJC 'Brave Warrior' Jeeps are still a good deal for pilot and liason vehicles, military police, etc...

Ben James Oklahoma, USA

 

[Pointblank]

Yes they are. But the process will take years and, in the meantime, they are still buying very large numbers of new Humvees.

I think the PLA made a very wise decision to invest in the Dongfeng version of the Humvee. It has 3 times the load capacity of the BJ Jeep, has a fuel-efficient Cummins diesel engine, (which DFM now builds under in partnership with Cummins USA) and it is adaptable to hundreds of roles.

I predict it will lead to the phase out of purchase of new Iveco light trucks.

The little BJC 'Brave Warrior' Jeeps are still a good deal for pilot and liason vehicles, military police, etc...

Ben James Oklahoma, USA

And I can tell you, Iveco trucks do not have a very good reputation here in Canada, especially with the Canadian Forces... there is a reason why the LSVW is often referred to as the Light Squeaky Vehicle, Wheeled.