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pkj

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The photos were taken before Trump's battleships announcement, and we all know the PLA's project started much earlier.

I strongly against putting all equipment into a tit-for-tat, "you build A today, so tomorrow I build B in response" mindset. It exists, but not every piece of equipment corresponds directly to it, and please extend the interval to several years.

Yes. The ship and the concept, as others pointed out, existed much earlier.

But the PLAN has a way of making (or allowing) certain pictures to be "casually" available, during certain times, to make certain points.
 

pkj

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It's highly unlikely the Type-726 and the CIWS will be used at the same time.

The presence of ASW rockets and torpedoes is interesting. That implies a sonar of some sort, perhaps towed?

And the cost of a 100-teu ship itself looks like $1-2 million. This is literally the lowest cost ship platform available.

Apologies, where do you see the torpedoes and the possible containerized location for a towed sonar, in the pictures?
 

sheogorath

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Its possible this is just a proof of concept. Outside of the VLS containers, it looks to test how to integrate everything and how it will behave in a real, purpose-built cargo ship.

Once the limitations, workarounds and the viability are identified, then work can be done on how to make the rest of the systems fit into the TEUs
 
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AndrewS

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Interesting that some of the equipment appears to sit beyond the footprint of the container. The Type 730/1130 at the front looks like it would be extremely close, but this shot of the radar proves that it’s bigger than the container width, meaning they cannot conceal it inside a container.

Given how small the overlap in size between the radar base and the container is, and the fact the outer casing is just that, a casing, it’s actually telling that they didn’t bother with the small amount of effort needed to redesign it so that the whole thing can fit inside a container.

But I suspect if we get good detailed pictures of the rest of the equipment, we might well see that more than a couple of them can’t fit inside the containers. That is because the design principle behind this container destroyer design seems to be focused on mass production optimisation rather than full concealment. That means they are pulling existing, off-the-shelf kit that is already in mass production as opposed to making even modest changes to allow everything to fit inside standard containers.

If this is true, then the implications behind this design philosophy is actually extremely chilling, as this isn’t China preparing for a sneaky alpha strike or modern day Q ships as the west will immediately assume, but rather, this is a China preparing for a total war of attrition on par, and probably beyond WWII levels. Since this means they are either expecting their military shipyards to be either out of commission or are at full production and still need to rapidly pump out passable warships on a scale never before done in human history. And you don’t need that kind of fleet to play pure defence.

The primary mission that the Chinese military plans for is a Taiwan scenario.
As part of that, you have to plan for US intervention, and therefore a long war, with the Chinese Navy currently being significantly less powerful than the US Navy.

So yes, being able to take a 100-teu containerships and add a Type-052B Frigate-level sensor suite, combat management system and CEC would be very useful. You could quickly add a large number of Frigates.

If you use a larger container ship with more VLS cells, then it becomes an arsenal ship of sorts.

That would leave Chinese shipyards able to focus on higher-end warships (Destroyer-level and above)
 

AndrewS

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If they want to go with converting containerships in Frigates or Arsenal ships, I think this does look like a proof-of-concept.

Ideally, you want the rotating AESA a lot higher, so it has an unobstructed 360degree view.
And 60 VLS cells seems like packing a lot of capability (and cost) into a single vulnerable hull.

So I think it better to use a much larger hull (which would also have a lot more compartments and be more survivable).
Alternatively, they could reduce the number of VLS cells and also be able to put the Type-344 in the middle of the ships and be able to cover both directions.

They should be able to rearrange the containers however they want.
 

another505

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This is mostly likely to be manned, container ships engine require maintenance
The primary mission that the Chinese military plans for is a Taiwan scenario.
As part of that, you have to plan for US intervention, and therefore a long war, with the Chinese Navy currently being significantly less powerful than the US Navy.

So yes, being able to take a 100-teu containerships and add a Type-052B Frigate-level sensor suite, combat management system and CEC would be very useful. You could quickly add a large number of Frigates.

If you use a larger container ship with more VLS cells, then it becomes an arsenal ship of sorts.

That would leave Chinese shipyards able to focus on higher-end warships (Destroyer-level and above)
i think being a container ship with much less speed than rest of the combat fleet will relegate itself to relative mobile point defence important location.

Once the blockade starts, the main fleet might be busy. These can surround Taiwan especially the east coast to strengthen the A2AD network. Relieving the main fleet from this important duty.

The crazier thing is to make these more concealable. Loads of preprogrammed cruise missiles and be one of many container ships to CONUS or Japan or any USN bases around the globe. Once get close, it can destroy multiple US ships and ship yards Pearl Harbor style. Although would be difficult to plan this perfectly with the political escalation and how many bases there are in different locations. And the manned crew will need a very very speedy escape.
 
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