If your enemy praises you and likes what you are doing, it probably means that you are doing something wrong. Following this logic it means that the PLAN is doing excellent
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Truth hurts especially to those that drank their own Kool-Aid for some time. Sore losers.
pop3 is back, at least for now.
Machine translated:
1, the new type of frigate is steadily advancing;
2, the new model of 6,000-ton destroyer is not just a mere "L", but a real new model with a substantial increase in combat capability;
3, the successor model of Type 055 destroyer is already on the way, and this is not surprising. The development principle is "build one generation, develop one generation, pre-research one generation" (classic cliche). The strategic need has prompted to progress, while the outbreak of new technology has supported the progress;
4, the progress of the aircraft carrier No. 4, that is real, no need to question it, or pretend it is a surprise.
5, the development of targeted weapons and equipment for the hotspots area (he might mean by Taiwan), are in full swing, and are new concepts, new ideas of weapons, is definitely the pioneer of the global new military technology revolutionary weapons, do not believe? Not convinced? Let's see in a few years;
6, the operational thinking and operational concepts, has been a huge change, this is the relationship between the superstructure and the foundation, the two influence each other (communist cliche). The people's navy is no longer the hard times of "bayonet fighting at sea". The development of the People's Navy has fully kept up with the overall strategic requirements of the country.
words in brackets are my own impression. and as everyone know POP3 is a hardcore communist, so he refers PLAN as people's navy FYI.
Question: would you comment on Ma Weiming's super-ship?
Tl;dr Pop3 doesn't think it is true.
Pop3:
Ma is a scientist whom I respect very much.
But anyone has its strengths and weaknesses.
Ma's spirit of exploration is very worthy of our learning, but this does not mean that all of Ma's views are necessarily correct, which should not be taken to extremes.
Ma's strengths lie in the field of ship power, and the expansion of his research results to other fields, such as the field of the system, the platform field.
As a scientific exploration, this is very commendable, but cross-field matters, sometimes have to listen to other areas of expert opinion.
After all, there is no all-rounder or cover-all type of talent in this world.
He also said the delay of 054B was at least partly due to rapid naval technology evolution, the technology used on 054B becomes obsolete when 054B starts active development so they have to re-negotiate it with navy and re-design it.
Machine translated:
1, the new type of frigate is steadily advancing;
2, the new model of 6,000-ton destroyer is not just a mere "L", but a real new model with a substantial increase in combat capability;
3, the successor model of Type 055 destroyer is already on the way, and this is not surprising. The development principle is "build one generation, develop one generation, pre-research one generation" (classic cliche). The strategic need has prompted to progress, while the outbreak of new technology has supported the progress;
4, the progress of the aircraft carrier No. 4, that is real, no need to question it, or pretend it is a surprise.
5, the development of targeted weapons and equipment for the hotspots area (he might mean by Taiwan), are in full swing, and are new concepts, new ideas of weapons, is definitely the pioneer of the global new military technology revolutionary weapons, do not believe? Not convinced? Let's see in a few years;
6, the operational thinking and operational concepts, has been a huge change, this is the relationship between the superstructure and the foundation, the two influence each other (communist cliche). The people's navy is no longer the hard times of "bayonet fighting at sea". The development of the People's Navy has fully kept up with the overall strategic requirements of the country.
words in brackets are my own impression. and as everyone know POP3 is a hardcore communist, so he refers PLAN as people's navy FYI.
Question: would you comment on Ma Weiming's super-ship?
Tl;dr Pop3 doesn't think it is true.
Pop3:
Ma is a scientist whom I respect very much.
But anyone has its strengths and weaknesses.
Ma's spirit of exploration is very worthy of our learning, but this does not mean that all of Ma's views are necessarily correct, which should not be taken to extremes.
Ma's strengths lie in the field of ship power, and the expansion of his research results to other fields, such as the field of the system, the platform field.
As a scientific exploration, this is very commendable, but cross-field matters, sometimes have to listen to other areas of expert opinion.
After all, there is no all-rounder or cover-all type of talent in this world.
He also said the delay of 054B was at least partly due to rapid naval technology evolution, the technology used on 054B becomes obsolete when 054B starts active development so they have to re-negotiate it with navy and re-design it.
I doubt anyone questioned if there were going to be another carrier built after No. 3 or not. Does this mean they've started building the modules?
What is this guy's record wrt previous predictions? Is he credible?
Interesting displacement assuming this is the replacement for the 052D in its role. Rather than maintaining the current displacement or increasing it, they are actually going to reduce it and by no small amount.
He is a former officer in 90s then transferred to Naval equipment development department in 00s then retired at some point in 00s or 10s but still has good connection within the navy.
But the thing is you have to take his word with caution since many of his claims are merely a preliminary understanding within navy itself. In reality, it has been reported to CMC for approval and hardly any plan went without any changes.
In general few points on his credibility:
1. His source is often exclusive, internal and accurate in principle but caution on their maturity.
2. He is a hardcore communist and many of his word are politics related not military related.
3. When he said ABC is in active construction, it could mean that ABC is in active construction within design department and it will take many years or a decade to enter service.
4. He is a pundit who will correct you every time that "Type 022 doesn't exist, it is called Type 22." "Type 052DL is not real, it is still called Type 052D." "You shouldn't say 003 is a 80000 ton CV, we use normal displacement within navy."
By referring 6000 ton class destroyer, he is actually suggesting that there is no such thing as 052DL, still 052D in designation. Pundit behavior on micro details.
Eastern Theater Command frigates...
That's going to be a big OOF for anyone who follows him but doesn't know about his "unique" term utilization lol
So, if my understanding is anywhere close - The "new model 6000-ton destroyer" mentioned by pop3 is actually referring to an upgraded/further-developed variant of the 052D?
I.e. the "new model 6000-ton destroyer" is still part of the 052D series, instead of a brand-new series e.g. 052E?
Nice... Hopefully we can see more 054B hulls appearing soon.
Hmm... I'm hoping for a Chinese mini-Kirov for this
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Personal comment:
Either way, just wondering if #2 and #3 have any relations with these two illustrations by CSIC...
(from the Next Generation Destroyer Thread)