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Bellum_Romanum

Brigadier
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Take for example ...

Tiananmen "Massacre" -
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Spanish ambassador to Beijing, "Eugenio Bregolat, notes that Spain’s TVE channel had a television crew in the square at the time, and if there had been a massacre, they would have been the first to see it and record it." - but in fact there was nothing in the square - "He points out angrily that most of the reports of an alleged massacre were made by journalists hunkered down in the safe haven of the Beijing Hotel, some distance from the square."
"Graham Earnshaw, a down-to-earth Reuters correspondent who spent the night of June 3-4 at the alleged site of the massacre — at the center of Tiananmen Square — interviewing students in detail until the troops finally arrived in the early dawn. He too failed to see any massacre. As he writes in his memoirs, I was probably the only foreigner who saw the clearing of the square from the square itself.”


Kuwaiti Incubators -
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- Western media follow a depressingly familiar formula when it comes to the preparation of a nation for conflict

Take the Kuwaiti babies story. Its origins go back to the first world war when British propaganda accused the Germans of tossing Belgian babies into the air and catching them on their bayonets. Dusted off and updated for the Gulf war, this version had Iraqi soldiers bursting into a modern Kuwaiti hospital, finding the premature babies ward and then tossing the babies out of incubators so that the incubators could be sent back to Iraq.

In the Senate debate whether to approve military action to force Saddam out of Kuwait, seven senators specifically mentioned the incubator babies atrocity and the final margin in favour of war was just five votes. John R Macarthur's study of propaganda in the war says that the babies atrocity was a definitive moment in the campaign to prepare the American public for the need to go to war.

It was not until nearly two years later that the truth emerged. The story was a fabrication and a myth, and Nayirah, the teenage Kuwaiti girl, coached and rehearsed by Hill & Knowlton for her appearance before the Congressional Committee, was in fact the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to the United States. By the time Macarthur revealed this, the war was won and over and it did not matter any more.


Shall we go on ... ?
or do you get the picture?
(ie. fake "witness" accounts that colour the narrative)




It goes without saying that you were not there either?

Given the propensity of all governments to propagandise and spread disinformation (yes, including western govt and complicit western msm), it's only fair that any narrative is called to question. It may show more maturity to question a counter assertion and ask for substantiation than to resort to ad hominem and claim some absent moral high ground.

I think subsequent posters have offered a more nuanced view of the event.
Only an ignoramus who would even believe such utter nonsense that makes it look like Chinese soldiers are a bunch of cowardly pussies which means/reinforce the stupid insulting notion that since Chinese men are the byproduct of the dreaded See See Pee One Child Policy and parents are therefore loathe to losing their only sons (whom are often portrayed as spoiled and pampered) such stories of running away from the battle keeps the idiotic illusion of PLA = SHIT.

If that's not an contemptible assault on the Chinese fighting spirit, prowess, as well as their bloodied history of fighting horrific wars I don't know what is.
 

kwaigonegin

Colonel
A clickbait title. The peace keepers were caught between two warring parties and had to vacate a compound after it came under shelling. The UN peace keepers must follow strict impartiality in a conflict zone, meaning evacuation is the only option in this instance, since fighting back would likely result in becoming an active participant in the civil war.

Contrary to popular belief, and
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, peace keepers are under no obligation to render humanitarian assistance, especially in a fluid conflict zone, where many adverse circumstances may exist that deter aid from being rendered. Heck, remember
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? We let our own ambassador die despite his repeated pleas for help. I guess Hillary didn't wake up for that
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or
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to check her
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I like to think you're right and assuming that you are and that was indeed the RoE, then PLA or the Chinese government did a poor piss job of not 'covering' or PR'ed the hell out of it for those personnels and also for credibility sake because the optics were bad.
As we are all well aware here, some Western press and orgs would take every opportunity to take pot shots and discredit or debase the PRC and certainly PLA activities.
When something like this happens, it is even more crucial to ante up the PR department ESPECIALLY if no wrongdoings were conducted... unless they were, then shame on the troops.
Yes I think most folks are aware of Benghazi but guess what? It became a huge Sh1tstorm.. all the way to the top including possibly costing HRC the presidency.
To my knowledge this incident nvr made any major headlines in China.
 

Reclaimer

Junior Member
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The Guardian article made a nonsense claim based on a report by a US organization that gives no concrete proof. However, from this CCTV footage, we can see that the peacekeepers were under-equipped to handle armored threats. It would have been a bloodbath if tanks had decided to assault the base.

I hope that in the present day these peacekeepers were supplied and trained to use ATGMs and given IFVs with heavier caliber weapons. That would allow them to better perform their duty to protect civilians were possible.
 

tankphobia

Senior Member
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On topic of PLA foreign deployment,is there plans for China to join the current international mission to pull their nationals out of Sudan? With current Chinese investment into Africa I'm sure there's plenty of Chinese dispora currently stuck in Sudan amongst the chaos. The forces should already be present at Djibouti.
 

by78

General
I like to think you're right and assuming that you are and that was indeed the RoE, then PLA or the Chinese government did a poor piss job of not 'covering' or PR'ed the hell out of it for those personnels and also for credibility sake because the optics were bad.
As we are all well aware here, some Western press and orgs would take every opportunity to take pot shots and discredit or debase the PRC and certainly PLA activities.
When something like this happens, it is even more crucial to ante up the PR department ESPECIALLY if no wrongdoings were conducted... unless they were, then shame on the troops.
Yes I think most folks are aware of Benghazi but guess what? It became a huge Sh1tstorm.. all the way to the top including possibly costing HRC the presidency.
To my knowledge this incident nvr made any major headlines in China.

It's a waste of time to worry about ephemeral, transient optics and appearances. Nobody is going to remember it in three months time. It's far more important to put physical reality on the ground, and the rest will follow.
 

supersnoop

Major
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I think the closest analogue would be the UN mission in the former Yugoslavia as the country dissolved. ROE meant they could only engage when directly attacked. They couldn’t do anything outside defined areas even when they knew civilians were being attacked. When they were shelled, Croatians and Serbs would just say “oops, we were aiming at the other guys” when confronted. In “Operation Storm”, the Croatians told peacekeepers to leave “or else”, so they did. You can Google how many Serbs are left in Knin.
 

Biscuits

Major
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Hope they are better prepared to actively engaged. Back in 2016 there were very scathing reports of Chinese peacekeepers being shell.shocked and ran.

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We can discuss ad infinitum whether this is fake news or not.

But we can however say that as of 2023, it is possible for China based rights groups to conclude that the regular forces of the US army has abandoned what seems to be more than 2 posts and defintely more than 300 guns as well as other assorted equipment in Afghanistan.

Funny how what comes around goes around. America retains it's title as king of projection.
 
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