PLA Anti-Air Missile (SAM) systems

bsdnf said:

A battalion I think

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But that also doesn't really work well, if there are just 3 launchers per battery. unless there are other launchers not shown in the image.

Older hq16 batteries did have 2 engagement radars in a battery for two fire units. Each with a radar and i think 3-4 launchers. So going from 2 to 3 fire units is not such a stretch, even though its very rare as i said earlier.

sequ said:

HQ-20 closest foreign equivalent should be the S-350.

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There's another 12 missile per launch vehicle SAM system that definitely isn't the HQ-20 and that one is probably more similar to S-350. HQ-20 is actually closer to HQ-9 in length. But we haven't seen anything else related to that system. We only have a couple of videos of it around.

I agree HQ-20 has no equivalent. No modern SAM system uses only low frequency radar for search and fire control.

Cloud_Nine_ said:

I agree HQ-20 has no equivalent. No modern SAM system uses only low frequency radar for search and fire control.

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Neither should HQ-20? Evidence of absence is not absence of evidence.

Okay at first I thought that 12 loader tel vehicle with the crane was for hq20 but then I thought that's stupid why would you have 12 cannister loader vehicle when the launcher can only hold 8 then I looked at the cannister for this hq-xx and realize the cannister is different from hq20 and hq9c.

First this hq-xx have no bumps it's smooth at the top of the cannister while the hq20 and hq9c Cleary visual bumps at the top of the cannister

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Second the bump at the side of hqxx cannister is different from both hq20 and hq9c




Imo this is a completely diff Sam that is in service but didn't appear in the parade

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Okay at first I thought that 12 loader tel vehicle with the crane was for hq20 but then I thought that's stupid why would you have 12 cannister loader vehicle when the launcher can only hold 8 then I looked at the cannister for this hq-xx and realize the cannister is different from hq20 and hq9c.

First this hq-xx have no bumps it's smooth at the top of the cannister while the hq20 and hq9c Cleary visual bumps at the top of the cannister

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Imo this is a completely diff Sam that is in service but didn't appear in the parade

https://imgur.com/a/z29KyCk

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It might be an equivalent product of the S-350 and compete with the HQ-20, but lose out. Who knows?

bsdnf said:

It might be an equivalent product of the S-350 and compete with the HQ-20, but lose out. Who knows?

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Could it be the "HQ-26"?

Tomboy said:

Could it be the "HQ-26"?

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I've heard "HQ-26" could be the name for a navalized HQ-19? But I don't think that would make sense given the three other ship-based SAMs all retain the same number designations with the only difference being they're called "HHQ-" rather than "HQ-". But idk

TheWanderWit said:

I've heard "HQ-26" could be the name for a navalized HQ-19? But I don't think that would make sense given the three other ship-based SAMs all retain the same number designations with the only difference being they're called "HHQ-" rather than "HQ-". But idk

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It technically isn't unheard of for a naval only SAM to just be called HQ-XX, HQ-10 is just called "HQ-10" despite being basically naval only. PLAN is kinda of missing a mid-course exoatmospheric interceptor similar to the HQ-29, but I don't really expect it to be literally as large given that naval units could be positioned to be much closer than land based units like HQ-29.

Tomboy said:

Type	Role	Branch	Closest foreign equivalent
HQ-6A/B/D	SHORAD	PLAAF	Skyguard-Aspide/Avenger
HQ-7A	SHORAD	PLAGF	Crotale (Reverse engineered)
H(H)Q-9/B	Long range air defense/ABM	PLAAF/PLAN	S-300/400
H(H)Q-9C	HIMAD/AMB	PLAAF/PLAN	Patriot PAC-3 MSE
HQ-10	SHORAD	PLAN	RIM-116 RAM
HQ-11	Short-medium range air defense	PLAAF	IRIS-T SLM/NASAMS
HQ-12A/B/C/D	Medium range air defense/Limited ABM	PLAAF	MIM-23 series
HQ-13 (FB-10)	SHORAD	PLAGF	Type 93 SAM
HQ-15 (FK-3000)	Anti-cluster/drone VSHORAD	PLAGF	Pantsir SMD-E
H(H)Q-16A/B/C/D(?)/FE	Medium range air defense/ABM	PLAGF/PLAN	Buk series/IRIS-T SLX
HQ-17/A	SHORAD	PLAGF	Tor-M (Reverse engineered)
HQ-19	Exoatmospheric ABM	PLAAF	THAAD-ER
HQ-20	Dedicated SAM for aerodynamic LO targets (?)	PLAAF	N/A (Couldn't really think of any equivalent)
HQ-22/A	Medium-long range air defense	PLAAF	Patriot PAC-2
HQ-29	Mid course interceptor/ASAT	PLAAF	KEI/Nudol
S-300PMU/PMU-2	Long range air defense/ABM	PLAAF	Literally just S-300
S-400	Long range air defense/ABM	PLAAF	Just a normal S-400

AFAIK, these are all the in service PLA SAMs that I can name off the top of my head and their closest equivalent, though HQ-7 and HQ-6 probably have already been fully phased out by now. I also heard S-300PMU has been mostly phased out as well and it's just S-300PMU-2 left, HQ-12 possibly might have also been mostly gone by now.

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Nice chart

Isn't the HQ-15 something different? Reversed engineered S-300?

TheWanderWit said:

I've heard "HQ-26" could be the name for a navalized HQ-19? But I don't think that would make sense given the three other ship-based SAMs all retain the same number designations with the only difference being they're called "HHQ-" rather than "HQ-". But idk

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It could be the case PLAN has different requirements. There's a whole slew of questions pertaining to integrating HQ-19 into current PLAN sensors and combat systems since all of their main radars are currently S band and C band for HQ-9 fire control. But ofc we don't really know fore sure HQ-19 target aquisition & fire control radar is X band like TPY-2 either since there's an S-band SLC-12 that's similarly sized and we've seen it and the X band SLC-14 together in Jiuquan.

That being said I am fairly certain HQ-26 exists and is indeed a HQ-19 like system. Can't really find where I read about it but I remember very clearly a source saying sth like "theater high altitude ABM systems like HQ-19, HQ-26". Sounds a lot like they are parallels. Maybe it had already posted it here before and that's where I saw it. Would appreciate if someone could dig it up lol.