PLA Anti-Air Missile (SAM) systems

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Three more images of HQ-29 ABM.

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Considering the likely capability of this weapon, dual pack would be potent.

"not even tri pack" makes it sound like the desirable or attainable goal would be quad pack, which is just silly -- this isn't a simple MR SAM, this should be a proper high end SAM capable of long range engagements against air breathing targets while also having the capability to target probably fairly high performance aeroballistic missiles.
Dual pack certainly offers a substantial increase to magazine depth, it is just unfortunate that so much of the VLS space would be wasted in a dual-pack configuration relative to a tri-pack configuration.
 

Gloire_bb

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Dual pack certainly offers a substantial increase to magazine depth, it is just unfortunate that so much of the VLS space would be wasted in a dual-pack configuration relative to a tri-pack configuration.
On the other hand, it nicely complements HQ-9B - not as supplement, but actual high altitude complement. It's still a full on MSE missile.
Cut a bit more - and you're with PAC-3/9M96/HQ-16C class weapon, which is a performance choice between lower(HQ-16C/9M96*) and higher(PAC-3) altitude performance.
HQ-9C does not look like a choice, it can do both equally, yet imrpove ammo depth at most useful engagement distances.

*i mean yea, 9m96 keeps both thrusters and aerodynamic surfaces - which sort of does both...but this way you still get drag/weight/volume of two solutions, while having less thrusters. HQ-9C will likely both fly way further and be a much better ABM with better performance and footprint..
 
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Neurosmith

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Considering the likely capability of this weapon, dual pack would be potent.

"not even tri pack" makes it sound like the desirable or attainable goal would be quad pack, which is just silly -- this isn't a simple MR SAM, this should be a proper high end SAM capable of long range engagements against air breathing targets while also having the capability to target probably fairly high performance aeroballistic missiles.
Was it ever confirmed or rumored that the 9C is capable of engaging ballistic missiles, or is that an inference made from the appearance of side thrusters on the missile?
 

Blitzo

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Was it ever confirmed or rumored that the 9C is capable of engaging ballistic missiles, or is that an inference made from the appearance of side thrusters on the missile?

Apart from the commentary itself mentioning ballistic missiles as one of the target sets, the fact that this weapon has a smaller diameter and reaction control system is somewhat indicative of a higher kinematic performance missile that may have a smaller warhead than traditional SAMs -- specifically, a hit to kill warhead (which is superior against ballistic missile type targets than traditional fragmentation warheads) possibly with a fragmentation element.
 

AndrewJ

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According to descriptions of CJ-1000 in a later interview after the parade, it has capability to attack targets not only on the ground, and at sea, but also in the air !? Which means it can be used as a hypersonic SAM ranged over 2000km+? :eek:

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Here's the transcript from the interview for the CJ-1000 crew:
During the grand September 3rd military parade, the Rocket Force's Long Sword-1000 cruise missile, China's first hypersonic cruise missile, features flexible maneuverability, powerful penetration, and instant launch, enabling precise strikes against key targets in land, sea, and air.

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MiraiAAA

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Has anyone measured the length of the HHQ-9C? Although it has a smaller diameter, I doubt it's length can be kept within 7 meters (whether it can fit into the 7m type VLS).
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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According to descriptions of CJ-1000 in the parade, it has capability to attack targets not only on the ground, and at sea, but also in the air !? Which means it can be used as a hypersonic SAM ranged over 2000km+? :eek:

I heard none of that. I believe you may have misheard.

Also, using a large cruise missile meant for attacking land or ship targets with its heavy warheads to intercept enemy warplanes is an absolutely massive waste of resources.
 

AndrewJ

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I heard none of that. I believe you may have misheard.

Also, using a large cruise missile meant for attacking land or ship targets with its heavy warheads to intercept enemy warplanes is an absolutely massive waste of resources.

I'm sure it's not misunderstanding. But the claim is from a later CCTV interview for the CJ-1000 crew, rather than directly from the parade. My bad. I've already reedited my last post. :rolleyes:

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It indeed claims it can attack systems & targets in the air precisely.
 
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