PLA Anti-Air Missile (SAM) systems

doggydogdo

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The PAC-3 MSE (different from the PAC-3 or PAC-3 CRI) didn't exist in Israel. In Ukraine, I think the PAC-3 MSE did well. Russia, after so many months, wasn't able to destroy a single PAC-3 MSE battery guarding Kiev. At one point they launched many Kinzhals to take out a single launcher.
PAC-3 was claimed to shoot down 1 ballistic missile in Israel and we have video evidence of PAC-3 failing to shoot down Kinzhals in Kiev. then the US military lied about it not being destroyed.

 

BoraTas

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PAC-3 was claimed to shoot down 1 ballistic missile in Israel and we have video evidence of PAC-3 failing to shoot down Kinzhals in Kiev. then the US military lied about it not being destroyed.

Israel never owned a PAC-3 variant. I didn't see any articles on a US Patriot deployment to Israel either. The PAC-3 failing or not failing to destroy Kinzhals shouldn't be discussed in black and white terms. The rate and engagement geometry are important. The Russian failure to eliminate the single Patriot battery guarding Kiev is telling about this subject. The only documented Patriot battery elimination has happened in Eastern Ukraine.
 

totenchan

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In terms of GPI, the bottleneck is not in the missile booster itself but rather there isn't a high performance DACS that can work within the atmosphere, so the interceptor can't close quarters with the glider reliably. You'd have to wait for the glider to get uncomfortably close (such as when its coming in during its terminal dive) to intercept it, which is not ideal.

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You need extreme accuracy in the last few seconds of the intercept because at those speeds, 1s means you miss by a huge distance.
This is the device that does the pitch, yaw and roll control for SM-3 KV but it's only designed to work in space. It rely on cold-gas thrusters and solid divert systems optimized for vacuum. It's useless when fighting aerodynamic forces during atmospheric flight.

So the challenge is actually in very sophisticated, miniaturized, propulsion and sensor/targeting technologies.
The THAAD kill vehicle does work in the upper atmosphere, doesn't it? It has some special heat shielding for the seeker. The THAAD-ER was also nominally proposed for some HGV defense though we all know how that turned out. I agree that a big issue is targeting though, the US is basically funding a high fidelity space based IR imaging net because the radars they have for air defense aren't going to provide enough warning time.
 
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