PLA Anti-Air Gun systems

vincelee said:

are you sure they said "cannon" and not "hell fire"? Because a GAU-8 with the AP-DU round is rated at around 200mm RHA at 1000m and 280mm point blank. Unless you're saying that the front right of an M1 is less than 200mm, which I can penetrate with an RPG-7 (also known as my right hand), I suggest that you, well, abandon your previous point.

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I believe a Hellfire would've done more damage to the tank. Like I said, it looked like some large monster took a bite out of it. No real fire damage was there. I don't know what did it. I just remember what was "officially" said by the US military that an A-10 accidentally shot at the M1 with its cannon. The A-10 is called the "Tank-Buster" and does used DU rounds. Others wanted to believe the Iraqis had some rumor new weapon obtained from Russia maybe.

was it the turret or the lower chassis?

If it was the turret, then I really don't know what the hell to say. GAU-8's combat mix, which is, as far as I know, applied to all A-10s, is one HE round followed by 4 AP-DU rounds, so you should see burn marks. If it was a hell fire, then yes, you should also see burn marks, as it IS a HEAT missile.

To be honest, I don't see any Iraqi weapon, or really ANY weapon short of a high capabiliy APFDS-DU doing somekind of sheer damage to the frontal armor of an Abram.

If it was the chassis, a collision might be more likely.

Do you have a picture?

Where the hell is Utelore when you need him?

vincelee said:

was it the turret or the lower chassis?

If it was the turret, then I really don't know what the hell to say. GAU-8's combat mix, which is, as far as I know, applied to all A-10s, is one HE round followed by 4 AP-DU rounds, so you should see burn marks. If it was a hell fire, then yes, you should also see burn marks, as it IS a HEAT missile.

To be honest, I don't see any Iraqi weapon, or really ANY weapon short of a high capabiliy APFDS-DU doing somekind of sheer damage to the frontal armor of an Abram.

If it was the chassis, a collision might be more likely.

Do you have a picture?

Where the hell is Utelore when you need him?

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It was the chasis. If anyone was hurt it was the driver only. Didn't keep pics then so I don't have one to show. I remember it because there was a debate between people who believe the official word and the ones that believed the Iraqis discovered a way to take out an M1.

I remember that.

It was rumoured to be the Kornet. or a lucky RPG-7 shot. I found a few pictures can you identify it







pensioneers do fishing, a young man like you dont have urge to get his pension, RIGTH?

Regards,

chinawhite

I wonder why China is employing so many kinds of short range SAM. :confused
The type 95 and the TY-90 system(land version while mounted on a vehicle.) very important in a mobile force. You can't operate most ADS while on the move due to the fact that their equipment are withdrawn. The two systems are, however, one piece systems they can keep up and be deployed quickly.
And while SAMs have longer reaches, AAA are more flexible and cheaper.

I don't really see the roles of towed AAAs anymore though. Maybe they can be better concealed than SAMs???

long range SAMs are pretty much a must now.
As for S-300, Crazy said that there are rumors that it can't be attacked with ARMs, not whether it is an ARM or not.

I too have doubts about LD-2000. its 1km range is nearly nothing compared to the area of a air-battle. Unless you are sure some sort of weapon is heading for the structure the LD-2000 is protecting, it will stand there looking but doing nothing.

But I'd probably get a number of passive radars along with my active mobile ones. While my passive radars are standing and detecting, my active radars will be running, turning on and off.
Both my AAA and SAMs (and planes) work with the network.

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Jane's Defense Weekly reported that China North Industrial Corporation has recently disclosed Thunder- 2000 grounds short ranges air defense system detail.according to the report the system capable of anti-strike fixed-wing aircraft and helicopter, air to ground missile, cruise missile or UAV.
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Thunder-2000 can strike the radar reflection echo only 0.1 Square meter cruise missile.

I'm not sure what's function of the big box on the truck of the LD-2000. But if the system is mounted on track-chassis like the type 95, it would better in cross-country capability. Don't you think so?