PLA AEW&C, SIGINT, EW and MPA thread

SinoSoldier

Colonel
What? When did we ever get indications the KJ-500 had the same radar system as the KJ-2000?

The only thing we know about the KJ-2000's radar is it's made by 14th Institute and is a fixed 3-array AESA.

I'm sure I recall seeing that on Huitong's page a year or two ago.

He currently proposes that: "The radar is the product of the 38th Institute and utilizes the new digital array radar technology. As the result it is as capable as the AESA radar onboad KJ-2000 but lighter and smaller enough to be carried by the Y-9 platform."
 

jobjed

Captain
I'm sure I recall seeing that on Huitong's page a year or two ago.

He currently proposes that: "The radar is the product of the 38th Institute and utilizes the new digital array radar technology. As the result it is as capable as the AESA radar onboad KJ-2000 but lighter and smaller enough to be carried by the Y-9 platform."

As capable as != is.

Also, being lighter and smaller, it's already different to the one on the KJ-2000.
 

SinoSoldier

Colonel
As capable as != is.

Also, being lighter and smaller, it's already different to the one on the KJ-2000.

Even if we have no direct evidence that the two systems are one and the same, it's unfathomable that the Chinese would renege on key capabilities in a system that is almost a decade or so older than the KJ-2000. If anything, the radars on the KJ-500 should be more, not less, capable than the ones on the KJ-2000.

Smaller =/= less capable. We have to keep in mind that as China's radar technology progresses, so will their ability to pack more T/R modules in a certain volume.
 

jobjed

Captain
Even if we have no direct evidence that the two systems are one and the same, it's unfathomable that the Chinese would renege on key capabilities in a system that is almost a decade or so older than the KJ-2000. If anything, the radars on the KJ-500 should be more, not less, capable than the ones on the KJ-2000.

Smaller =/= less capable. We have to keep in mind that as China's radar technology progresses, so will their ability to pack more T/R modules in a certain volume.

What does anything you've said have anything to do with my questioning your comment: "the KJ-500 supposedly has the same radar system as the 2000"??
 
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Well I would not be surprised if the PLAAF decides to slap on an giant AESA radar dish on a Y-20 or C919 in the future. The simple reason being that in the world of AESA, bigger radar means more T/R elements= more power and range.
 

SinoSoldier

Colonel
What does anything you've said have anything to do with my questioning your comment: "the KJ-500 supposedly has the same radar system as the 2000"??

Because the overarching theme of the discussion is whether it's reasonable or not to expect the KJ-500 to have an equally-capable (L-band as well) radar as the KJ-2000. Now that we no longer have evidence or claims that the two systems are the same, we can reasonably infer from developmental timelines that the KJ-500 probably does have L-band capabilities, at the very least.
 

taxiya

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KJ-500's digital shift AESA and KJ-2000's analog shift AESA are different radar system. I would say very different. However, KJ-500 may get close to the performance of KJ-2000 if not surpass with a smaller size.

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of difference of digital and analog shifter.

Analog phase shifters provide a continuously variable phase, most often controlled by a voltage. .... Digital phase shifters provide a discrete set of phase states that are controlled by two-state "phase bits."
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Analog phase shifter advantages
  • Continuous phase shift (I consider it advantage)
  • Lower loss
  • Lower cost of parts (but sensitive to assembly variations)
Digital phase shifter advantages

  • Immunity to noise on control lines (like any digital signals)
  • More uniform performance, unit-to-unit
  • Ability to achieve flat phase over wide bandwidth
  • Less susceptible to phase pulling when embedded in networks that are not perfectly impedance-matched
  • Easier to assemble
  • Potentially higher power handling and linearity

Analog shifter has higher power output from the same input due to lower loss, but its control signals suffer from noise. This leads to the actual output phase shift inaccurate, leading to the combined wave 1) not pointing to the desired direction and 2) less focused (less powerful).

The end result is that digital phase shifted radar is able to reach the same performance (in useful power and directional accuracy) with lower power input and smaller size.
 

Hendrik_2000

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AB upgraded with special large shelters to hold at least 17
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aircraft. May see some more shelters on the North-Eastern end.

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Deino

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AB upgraded with special large shelters to hold at least 17
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Any idea, where this Mahuiling AB is or under which name it is otherwise known? I don't know that base?
 
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