PLA AEW&C, SIGINT, EW and MPA thread

Blitzo

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Indeed, and that's a pitty.

But given the huge demand to modernise the transport fleet with new Y-9 and other assets like the EW/AEW and ASW versions, I think the current rate - be it as it is - seems too low.

I remember discussions about 60-100 GX-6 ... by my guesswork the current rate is about 2-3 Y-9s per month (and I think this is a high estimation) ... how long will it take to build them all ?

Well 2-3 Y-9s is 24-36 Y-9s per year.

If we take a lower estimate of 20 Y-9s per year (or slightly over 1.5 Y-9s per month), which I think is a minimum realistic estimate for the production rate, if they allocate production of 6 GX-6s out of the 20, then it will be 10 years until they get 60 (or by 2026), but it's likely the production number of GX-6s will vary year to year, depending on demand for AEW&C and other special variants as well as demand for the standard transport Y-9.

Some hypothetical transient assumptions can be that the Air Force requires ~10 standard Y-9 transports per year, and that 4-6 Y-9 airframes per year are allocated to non-GX-6 special mission variants such as KJ-500 or various EW/ECM or ELINT/SIGINT roles, and if we keep in mind KJ-500 production will probably end within a year or two, likely when they reach a total airframe production run of 10-12 birds, and if we also accept that demand for other GX variants will probably be relatively low...
... Well based on those assumptions, personally I expect that initial production of GX-6s to be relatively low, perhaps only 4-6 per year for a year or two (this year, and maybe next) as Naval Aviation develops the core skills, expertise, doctrine for the aircraft, as well as some allocation of airframes to KJ-500.
But by 2018 I think they can increase production and commissioning rate to 10 aircraft per year, or possibly even more if the overall Y-9 airframe production rate also increases.

So I think it is quite viable by the early 2020s that there will be 50-60 aircraft in service, which would be quite a capable core fleet of ASW MPAs, especially considering their large size and endurance, and considering if most will likely be operating relatively close to China's coast initially to conduct ASW operations there as a more significant priority.

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Obviously it would be best if Naval Aviation could get 60 GX-6s in a couple of years lol, but we should remember that these things do take some time.
Back in 2004-2006 I'm sure people were hoping that the military could get a fleet of 20 or more AEW&C planes in service within a few years as well, but the truth is that just isn't fully realistic and it takes some time to develop the skills, expertise, and doctrine for these planes. But between then and now, we see the military's aviation fleet now does have basically large/medium sized 20+ AEW&C planes in service from virtually nothing, which over the span of a decade is not bad at all.

I expect a similar degree of expansion for the Y-8GX6, but likely significantly greater and at a faster pace not only because of better funding, preparation, and requirement for ASW MPAs, but also because of the slightly less complex nature of ASW MPAs themselves compared to AEW&C and the existing array of more mature technologies that can be leveraged for ASW MPAs.
 
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by78

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ARJ21 used as AWACS platform? Not sure if this is PS or real, but leaning toward PS. Nonetheless posting it here just in case it turns out to be real.

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KIENCHIN

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ARJ21 used as AWACS platform? Not sure if this is PS or real, but leaning toward PS. Nonetheless posting it here just in case it turns out to be real.

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Badly photoshop, the angle of the phase array dome is not right and I doubt there is enogh indeginisation of this aircraft that would not breach the no dual use condition impose by western suppliers.
 

Iron Man

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I think it's a PS, but the angle of the radome could be right, since smaller planes do not fly completely level at cruise speed, and will have higher AOAs.
 

Iron Man

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Obviously a crude PS; it would be far more logical to have a C919 derivative to serve as an AWACS.
It would be, but a C919 will not be able to be used as an AEW/C aircraft until all its subcomponents are sourced either locally or at least from non-US/non-European companies. This would probably be decades from now. They may just have to use a generation's worth of modified Y-20s instead.
 

SinoSoldier

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It would be, but a C919 will not be able to be used as an AEW/C aircraft until all its subcomponents are sourced either locally or at least from non-US/non-European companies. This would probably be decades from now. They may just have to use a generation's worth of modified Y-20s instead.

My comment was more prospective in nature, but correct; neither the C919 or ARJ21 would be viable options for its airframe. Y-20 would have to do for now.
 
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