Don't under estimate the skills of the Chinese Pilots!
So far, China's forces have never been tested yet in the modern 21st century warfare... I just wonder when will the world see the Chinese forces in action.
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Don't under estimate the skills of the Chinese Pilots!
So far, China's forces have never been tested yet in the modern 21st century warfare... I just wonder when will the world see the Chinese forces in action.
SteelBird
Colonel
To see them in real action, you need a war. But that goes against China's peace policy. If Taiwan announce independence, you'll have a chance to see them in action.
For training hours, I don't think the same training hours mean the same training quality. For example, Man U. vs Charlton, do you think Charlton has less training hours? But it has never won Man U for more than 20 matches.
Roger604
Senior Member
It matters very little what "other people" think about PLAAF pilots.
Chinese people know that PLAAF pilots are among the most elite in the world. Just like Chinese Olympic athletes are among the most elite in the world. Fact is, China is very strong and competitive in many fields... the rest of the world just hasn't come to face reality yet. Instead they cling to old cliches to give them comfort.
Chinese people know that PLAAF pilots are among the most elite in the world. Just like Chinese Olympic athletes are among the most elite in the world. Fact is, China is very strong and competitive in many fields... the rest of the world just hasn't come to face reality yet. Instead they cling to old cliches to give them comfort.
Element of suprise the deceptive image pilots facing Chinese pilots are they're ill trained so they'll be overconfident. Dont underestimate your opponent skills. China has never released and true vital evidence for any of their military projects and tactics. The amount of time depends if it is quality training time.
Refering to olympics China followed Soviet pattern of train train train, but that worked to a certain level. Now, they train less but more quality and effectivness.
Refering to olympics China followed Soviet pattern of train train train, but that worked to a certain level. Now, they train less but more quality and effectivness.
Can training of the Olympic athletes be compared with training of airforce pilots???
I think its a both different field and can never be used as comparison...
Seems like nobody had the idea on how many hours does USSR train their pilots..
Pointblank
Senior Member
The Russians suffered a major decline in flying time during the economic malaise during the 1990's, with much of it simulator time. Still doesn't make up for actual flying time.
Furthermore, what matters not is the hours, it is the type and quality of the hours involved. Flying slow circles in the air for 4 hours is not the same as flying at high speed at tree top level in a canyon for 1 hour.
Until very recently, there was very little evidence that the PLAAF was actively encouraging their fighter pilots to be inventive and to push their aircraft to their limits. Military exercises until very recently showed low risk, highly regimented behaviours that in a combat scenario, would have meant certain death for those pilots had they encountered hostile forces. And before any of you spout off that they are purposely not risking their aircraft and their lives, I will point that such behaviour will become a very bad habit; in peacetime, it may not matter a whole lot, but in a war, it can be fatal. Recently, in a number of exercises, it appears that the PLAAF pilots are becoming more bold in their behaviours which would indicate increased confidence in their mounts and of course, better quality of training.
yup,quality is definitely more important than quantity, however we can never know the real quality of PLAAF pilot training since they dont really describe anything in detail. what you read on the news report is more of a case of the journalists being regimented rather than pilots LOL. always the same "intense fighting under complex electronic conditions..." gimme a break. not sure if anyone read the news recently (like yesterday), it talked about a major air force ex in the summer at a base called ShuangChengZi, which is basically China's area 51. was pretty impressive, all the best gears, J-10, J-11, JH-7, HQ-9 and all that good stuff. there was another huge one at Guangzhou military region bit earlier. and another one involving KJ-2000 which says that the unit with KJ-2000 had overwhelming advantage. things are getting more transparent it seems.
some comments about the Russian pilots, first of all we all know the Russian airforce messed up during the Georgian war and the army ended up taking care of all the business. however on a few of the youtube videos i saw of Su-25s attacking land target, it was quite impressive. first a dive, and then firing off a few rockets, the jet keeps on hitting max G and max attack angle and whatever. i am wasted in this stuff but to me that's an indication of a serious deficiency in equipment and combat theory (even China is using the standoff precision strike approach), but the pilots are still great pilots. there was another youtube video i am sure everyone has seen it already of the Mig-29 shooting down the Georgian UAV. pretty awesome video too, the mig came into view on a big turn and then fired its missile....dont know if that says anything about the pilot but i was pretty damn impressed.
bladerunner
Banned Idiot
Although not directly related to airforce training pilots, people in the West can take up leisure activities as gliding and flying, even i got my private pilates licence when I was 19 it was only 40hrs flying time to qualify in those days.
The reason I brought that up was, the amount of young kids that wanted to learn to fly or going to join the airforce that learnt basic flying in private clubs.
Id be very surprised if private flying and gliding as a leisure activity existed at all in China.
One of the most interesting U tubes I saw was an Israeli pilot praising (With simulation) the dare devilness of an egyptian pilot flying a mig during one of those Arab Israeli wars. The Egyptian pilot had spent some time trying to shake the Israeli off without success. Finally at below 3000 fett he pulled a very dangerous reverse loop or something, and that was something that could not be done in a Mig 23/25??? ... but he made it with feet inches to spare and escaped. Aparently the same Egyptian piolet is a national hero now.
The reason I brought that up was, the amount of young kids that wanted to learn to fly or going to join the airforce that learnt basic flying in private clubs.
Id be very surprised if private flying and gliding as a leisure activity existed at all in China.
One of the most interesting U tubes I saw was an Israeli pilot praising (With simulation) the dare devilness of an egyptian pilot flying a mig during one of those Arab Israeli wars. The Egyptian pilot had spent some time trying to shake the Israeli off without success. Finally at below 3000 fett he pulled a very dangerous reverse loop or something, and that was something that could not be done in a Mig 23/25??? ... but he made it with feet inches to spare and escaped. Aparently the same Egyptian piolet is a national hero now.
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so you posted that BS to gloat about how rich you are:nono::nono:
anyways, though i am not sure that private flying has much to do with the quality of pilots in the airforce, but the fact that China has a lot more well educated university students joining the airforce definitely improves the quality of pilots and prolly makes training a lot more fruitful than say back in the 90s.
i always thought that Pakistan had the best pilots in the muslim world though. seems that doesnt matter how bad the average pilot training is every country would always have a squad of top notch pilots that would be able to standout amongst his inferior colleagues LOL. one pilot doesnt say anything about the national average though, israelis have the best pilots hands down, training 300hr a year. israel has the best of everything only if they had a bigger country.