Pakistan to buy Chinese AWACs?

Ok my last one on this.

tphuang said:

yes, again, this is all application level
that's the point I'm making if you use another protocol, it is very unlikely that it can connect to link 16. For example, if you use UDP, it doen't even require a connection with the other side.

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Designing ports of a device is not application level. Thats your physical layer which involves Digital signal processing. I have said that it is very unlikely that China cannot implement that protocol. If you know What to send and when to send,then "how to send" becomes quite immaterial.

that's not what the protocol is about. The protocol is about how you send and receive the data. How you guarantee delivery and what to do when you get too many collisions. Encryption is a very small part of it.

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I have stated it before. Protocol is when to expect what. Do you really think Erieye won't give Pakistan native api that will sit on top of their hardware and allow them to not only know that "what and when" ?? dealing with collisions again is nothing new. depends on how protocol deals with it. Do they send a "resend" bit? if they do then the other side just need to look for that bit. Very standard stuff.

they can't, it's not about native API. Even with time changes, the protocol of transport/network is still the same between a mainframe and a xeon server. Or at least it implemented the protocol of that old mainframe. I'm telling you right now that China is using one transport/network protocol and Link-16 is a different one.

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Think about the network device on the Mainframe that was created way before the network card on Xeon server. Think about the network latency synchronization issues. And no we implemented our own driver or emulator if you wish to call it that, that would understand the TC/IP which was being used on Xeon.

Guys though you might disagree with me i think it is concrete enough a proof that PAF intends to integrate all it's aircrafts with Erieye.
PAF ACM's interview

Q. Is PAF inducting the Swedish Erieye AEW&C system along with SAAB-2000 aircraft from Sweden? If so, then when will they enter service?

Ans. Affirmative! Pakistan is ready to receive the Swedish Erieye AEW&C systems and Inshallah these systems will enter service in 2009. These radar systems will be used to gather important information and forward it to our Command and Control System, which is linked to the ground radar systems. Thus important information can be forwarded to the Command Operations Center in no time.


Q. What are measures taken for this system to be compatible with PAF fighters?

Ans. All the combat aircraft in PAF’s inventory will be linked to the Erieye system by a data link. New as well as upgraded F-16s, F-10A and JF-17 Thunders are equipped with data links. We are moving towards Network Strategic Warfare, and for that we have worked out on a plan for the modernization of Pakistan Airforce.

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Q. Is Pakistan interested in purchasing an aerial refueling system? If true how will PAF utilize this air asset? There is unconfirmed news that Pakistan is considering Ukrainian aerial refueling systems. Is this true?

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Ans. Correct! PAF is inducting four Russian origin aircraft equipped with aerial refueling systems from Ukraine. This will enhance defensive and offensive capabilities i.e. PAF’s deep strike capability as well as endurance for long CAP and BARCAP missions. Basically our major aim is to provide a complete aerial refueling system for our JF-17 Thunders which will form our backbone in near future.


Q. Will Pakistan be inducting Chinese KJ-2000 system?

Ans. China is our most sincere friend and in the previous decades, China has excelled in the aircraft development industry and has always offered us frontline equipment with the best package available. Hence we will consider our policies, revise our modernization program and will consider this system to be inducted in our air arsenal along with Erieye System.

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so is it possible that PAF might go for IL-78 based AEW rather then going for Y-8AEW as It is getting IL-78/76 AAR from Ukrainian

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan: Pakistan and China have agreed to jointly develop long-range radar equipped early warning aircraft, the Pakistan Air Force said Friday in a statement.

The announcement came during a visit to the country by Chinese President Hu Jintao in which the two allies are expected to discuss expanding ties in the defense, nuclear, economic and trade sectors.

The Pakistan Air Force and Chinese Aviation Industries agreed "for long term collaboration and co-development in the fields of aircraft manufacturing and other related fields including AWACS," the PAF said.

It said a Memorandum of Understanding was signed in Islamabad between the PAF and the Chinese Aviation Company, CETC, for the improvement and further development of Chinese Airborne Early Warning System.

"The same may be delivered to Pakistan in coming years," the statement said.

Pakistan Air Force is already collaborating with another Chinese aviation company, CATIC, for the co-development and co-production of JF-17 Thunder fighter aircraft.

Fight JF-17s are expected to be delivered to Pakistan during 2007.

.Today when i saw the press conference of the Presidents .it was when i came to knw the the possible deal of AWACS being sold to pakistan.i just havea doubt that like the JF-17 this is also a joint venture with China .anyway its very good news for pakistan air force.

I found it myself its not the AWACS is being sold to pakistan but a deal has been signed for the joint venture including development and production by Pakistan as well .as in the case of JF-17

here take a look at it

Asad Shah said:

.Today when i saw the press conference of the Presidents .it was when i came to knw the the possible deal of AWACS being sold to pakistan.i just havea doubt that like the JF-17 this is also a joint venture with China .anyway its very good news for pakistan air force.

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From what I know, Y-8 AEW was developed specifically for Pakistan. They would not have even built it if Pakistan wasn't placing orders. So, I wouldn't be surprised if China provides a lot of technical know-hows to Pakistan for Y-8 AEW.

From the news item itself, if we take it at it's word my opinion is that the system itself is not complete yet and still going through the development life cycle .There will be further enhancement before it is inducted. Also, i agree that Pakistan will be getting alot of technical know how and technology for production of parts (The radar and AEW systems, not the airframe).

PAF is turning out to be testing grounds for Chinese latest systems second to PLAAF itself.