Indian military industry could not reverse engineer a Su-30 for over 15 years with perfectly good samples in complete form and various levels of tech given by Russia. By the time they could reverse engineer a PL-15E (or components thereof) out of the expended and detonated scraps, China would have already replaced PL-16s, PL-17s and their successors (now tested) from service and may have successor technology to missiles for air to air altogether.
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PL-15 proved it's potency in real life mission envoirment.
Sure. Lets assume that the Indian DRDO lacks such capabilities. But hence they invited Japan (and other 5 eyes members) for assistance.
"According to sources in Indian defense media"
Tells you all about what you need to know about this piece of "news". Anything coming out of India, unless proven by outsider media with first hand account, should be taken as deliberate misinformation propaganda. Pretty much every Indian is lying about their failure against Pakistan with lies, lies and more lies. They are spreading mountains of lies to essentially bury the truth, creating "alternative facts".
Who? Names?
Trying to sabotage your enemy's relations with their arms provider by trying to capture & reverse engineering their systems is a well known tactic, it's a good tactic actually, but there's a lot of counter measures that was made for it. And most super powers - and even middle powers - wouldn't stop the arms deals for that because they know if they coward it'll hurt them and their relations & arm deals with other nations.
Of course capturing your enemy's system is beneficial, but how much can you benefit from it is very contextual, it depend on the country itself and the system, sometimes reverse engineering a system would take the same amount of trouble for building a new one, and sometimes you'll fail replicating the system even if you had it.
Of course capturing your enemy's system is beneficial, but how much can you benefit from it is very contextual, it depend on the country itself and the system, sometimes reverse engineering a system would take the same amount of trouble for building a new one, and sometimes you'll fail replicating the system even if you had it.
Zhang Xiaogang clarified that the missile supplied to Pakistan is strictly an export model. He mentioned that this missile has been displayed at various defense exhibitions both within China and internationally, and does not carry the same technological capabilities as the one used by China’s own military.
“The missile in question is an exported piece of equipment,” Zhang said, confirming that it is a specially downgraded version of the PL-15 designed for foreign trade. This statement is aimed at easing fears that India could extract critical Chinese military secrets from the captured missile.
In the day and age of mis-/disinformation certain claims have to be taken with a hand full of salt if not out right ignored immediately.
But if we can't even discuss the slightest possibility of those asserted claims being true, I'm afraid we'd run the danger of being inside an "echo chamber" by being ignorant of underestimating the capabilities of the competitors.
That's your take on their opinion.
My entire point EVER was to highlight the fact that the Indians are in posession of an "intact" PL-15 and let's not rule out the possibility of them profiting from it.
These commets, like the one below, are just underestimating your opponent/adversary/counterpart.
India has had the Su-30 for well over 15 years, in fact over 20 years but they could not master the Su-30 level technology or any of its significant component technologies.
We're not underestimating India, we are accurately estimating it. Nothing I said was incorrect. You can make a case for India not trying to master Su-30 and apply those lessons for its own domestic military aviation MIC. But we both know that isn't the case. India attempted to master the Mirage series in IAF with the LCA program instead of the heavier fighters.
Do you have proof on intact PL-15? India has not offered one shred of evidence yet. Indians continue talking about shooting down PAF aircraft with footage of non-descript videos which could be showing IAF aircraft being shot down. India also tried to pass off Yemen war footage as its strikes on Pakistan.