Pakistan Air Force Modernization

I think this is more an attempt to keep Pakistan tied to America's apron vis a vis spare parts etc than anything else.

America is getting worried that pakistan won't need equipment from them and they're going to lose their clout.

walter...pakistan's relationship with China is based upon friendship between
the people's...pakistan's relationship with america is based upon america's support for one tin-pot military tyrant....

when Chou en-lai visited Pakistan ordinary people turned out in the thousands to cheer him.

please see what happens when americans visit...

You are wrong they would all be 1st hand & LH-M Vice President dint say 25 F-16s by next year he said abt 15 F-16s by next year. They are only producing F-16s for Israel at the moment while Polland has yet to sign the deal. Alot of Assembly & Production facility units are free at LH-M. No surprise they can produce that much in a year

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My mistake. I think the F-16s would be delivered by 2011 at most, assuming we get the 2-3 year default wait, it shouldn't take more than 4-5 years to deliver those F-16s.

You are wrong they would all be 1st hand & LH-M Vice President dint say 25 F-16s by next year he said abt 15 F-16s by next year. They are only producing F-16s for Israel at the moment while Polland has yet to sign the deal. Alot of Assembly & Production facility units are free at LH-M. No surprise they can produce that much in a year

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My mistake.
BTW, when do you think the PAF will be able to recieve all 75 new F-16s.

Diving Falcon said:

My mistake.

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No worries u r not wrong in some ways LH-M can roll out 20+ F-16s in year for single AirForce & they will for PAF from 2007.

BTW, when do you think the PAF will be able to recieve all 75 new F-16s.

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hmmm...cant realy say...as I said LH-M is capable of rolling out 25 F-16s for PAF in a year, but 1st batch is of 15 F-16s due to some busy workings at the facility. From 2007 they will send 20+ F-16s a yr. Now do the maths.

Sabre

Have you heard about the PAF having revived interests in Qatar's 12 Mirage 2000-5s?

Indeed if that is true, and the PAF manages to buy them with luck, it would probably mean an initial step towards having a full fledged Mirage 2000-5Mk2 fleet.

india has mirages as well. what pakistan need is different aircraft to counter indias. the f-16 and fc-17 will work, but they need more. maybe the gripen.

The Gripen is again like buying Mirage 2000-5, except somewhat cheaper, still not worth it IMO. In the end, I think the advanced version J-10C/D would work for PAF, but the wait would be quite a bit, however the F-16s should keep us well alive until then.

Diving Falcon said:

The Gripen is again like buying Mirage 2000-5, except somewhat cheaper, still not worth it IMO. In the end, I think the advanced version J-10C/D would work for PAF, but the wait would be quite a bit, however the F-16s should keep us well alive until then.

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The J-10 is kind of sketchy, the specs given by the Chinese government are total BS, they said it had supercruise and was stealthy! . That's retarded! Until Pakistan gets their hands and the public knows most of the specs, then we can start talking about Pakistan getting the J-10.

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Sabre

Have you heard about the PAF having revived interests in Qatar's 12 Mirage 2000-5s?

Indeed if that is true, and the PAF manages to buy them with luck, it would probably mean an initial step towards having a full fledged Mirage 2000-5Mk2 fleet.

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Sorry I was away.

Yes PAF is in discussions with Qatar. There are 12 Mirage2000-5s total (10 single seater, 2 twin seater). But even if PAF buys them I dont think they'll increase the number or buy more.

There r 2 possibilities:

1-PAF would like to upgrade them to Mirage-2000D & induct them as nuclear capable bombers

2-Use them as maritime Role as a lead fighters of Mirage-5.

To me 1st seems reasonable. If u need them as maritime fighter than u'll need more of them, while you only need single sqdn for nuke bombings.

The Qatari mirages are very expensive but the The good thing abt buying them is that PAF does not have to worry abt over hauling & maintainance facility. By civilian air rout Qatar is 1 hr flight & UAE is 45 min flight from Karachi. It would only take few mins for Mirages to fly either to UAE or Qatar & use their over hauling & maintainance facility.

The Gripen is again like buying Mirage 2000-5, except somewhat cheaper, still not worth it IMO. In the end, I think the advanced version J-10C/D would work for PAF, but the wait would be quite a bit, however the F-16s should keep us well alive until then.

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PAF is not going to buy J-10. China has yet to plan export version but it seems they will 1st induct 250+ J-10 in PLAAF than decide on export plans. PAF doesnt have that much time, besides F-16 C/D Block52+ are considered better & PAF is already looking into JAS-39 Gripens.

SABRE said:

Sorry I was away.

Yes PAF is in discussions with Qatar. There are 12 Mirage2000-5s total (10 single seater, 2 twin seater). But even if PAF buys them I dont think they'll increase the number or buy more.

There r 2 possibilities:

1-PAF would like to upgrade them to Mirage-2000D & induct them as nuclear capable bombers

2-Use them as maritime Role as a lead fighters of Mirage-5.

To me 1st seems reasonable. If u need them as maritime fighter than u'll need more of them, while you only need single sqdn for nuke bombings.

The Qatari mirages are very expensive but the The good thing abt buying them is that PAF does not have to worry abt over hauling & maintainance facility. By civilian air rout Qatar is 1 hr flight & UAE is 45 min flight from Karachi. It would only take few mins for Mirages to fly either to UAE or Qatar & use their over hauling & maintainance facility.

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Pakistan could buy second-hand Mirage-2000s, they'll be cheaper and there's plenty of room for upgrades! France should be retiring plenty of them, maybe Pakistan can get 20 or so second-hand Mirage-2000s.

SABRE said:

PAF is not going to buy J-10. China has yet to plan export version but it seems they will 1st induct 250+ J-10 in PLAAF than decide on export plans. PAF doesnt have that much time, besides F-16 C/D Block52+ are considered better & PAF is already looking into JAS-39 Gripens.

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Pakistan did send a pilot to test the J-10, they weren't very impressed, they thought the electronics needed a lot of improvement. So what is there besides the J-10 to fill Pakistan's need for another fighter?