Ordinary PLA infantrymen

where do you guys get these photos?

Unit88 said:

where do you guys get these photos?

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Friend check out this thread in another forum for starters.



Then use your search engine...

I think that the Chineese Infantry is pretty mutch out-dated.
If you compare it to other countrys like NL.

Greetz

hallo84 said:

Has anyone checked that even the US army could not afford to equipe all their troops with vests?

In the opening days of the War in Iraq lots of troops were not issued vests. Leading to soldiers having to purchase their own. There was public outcry documented already.

So to assume that PLA would have enough funds to equipe all 2 million active troops upto standards in such a short time period is quite unreasonable.

In training vests are normally not issued nor boots but the cotton shoes is actually more confotable than the military boots. If and when deployed then we'd expect these troops to be issued the black boots we have seen in current military exercisese.

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If is allow to talk about personal experience here I was a 92S (a lawndry guy soldier) we where 18 months an maybe we just have to fight few days (none consecutive days, besides some of use that volunteer for raid missions) I can say being a lawndry soldier we even wear body armour and every thing we need ... I dont see the point to give us to us (lawndry guys) all the enquipment we need than we have a way lower risk than infantry and some infantry soldiers dont have it. I will be happy to know some 11Bs (Infantryman) that actually is or was in Irak so he say something about it.
Our SLIG (life inssurance) cover $ 400,000. I dont think the U.S. Goverment gonna take the risk to pay $400,000 just to save couple hundred dollars. I dont think this is hapenning cause my personal experience. But if that it's actually happen regarded we have the best military I have to recognize we have a pretty dumb goverment... it dont take a rocket sciencist to know that it's better (and cheaper) invert some couple of hundred dollars per each soldier in proper enquipment rather to have pay $400,000 dollars per every soldier than die just because he lacks of protective gear. In case of the PLA they may not have as modern enquipment as U.S. Army does but that doesent mean they will not have enquipment at all in case of war. the fact that we may see some pics of the PLA without body armour not necesarily means they will be like that in actuall combat. back when I was in BCT in Ft. Jackson we dind wear body armour all the time just when we throw the live grenades exercise that was just a day out of 9 months... so If we (U.S. Army) don't wear body armour in BCT, AIT or anywehere non hostile territory I dont see the point of some guys critize the PLA infantry to not wear body armour all the times. Im pretty sure in case of war the PLA may not match U.S. Army regarding enquipment but I bet they will have some kind of protection... we are not talking about the ill enquiped Iraqui Army, we are talking the PLA. I can bet my b@!s than they have better enquipment than Iraqui Army, they may not be the U.S. Army but not everything have to be black (U.S. Army) or white (Iraqui Army) when we talk about armed forces things can be gray (the PLA) besides I dont see the point to wear body armour even when you not even need it.

Chengdu J-10 said:

It was this guy i was referring to. I never quoted you aquilis182, read my post and above them who i quoted, the post i quoted was from planeman.

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Ups my bad man. Sorry

Chengdu J-10 said:

What a load of c##p comparing Chinese soldiers and US soldiers stating that US soldiers are better trained. How do you know that US soldiers are better trained than Chinese soldiers? What through some papers and articles that US pros wrote. China military activities are covered more heavily than the US even realises. The US gives the impression that Chinese soldiers are ill equipped and trained, with only handful of well trained and well equipped. As to the Type 56 I have no idea what you are going on about cause PLA troops use Type 81 and 95 now. Chinese troops are pretty well trained and this is not refering to the elite forces of the PLA. Equipment yes I must agree to you on that one to a certain degree of the bulk of Chinese soldiers. But the amount of modern equipment pouring into the PLA is increasing and soon about 3-4 more years the PLA troops will all have modern rifles and equipments. Give a Chinese troop an AK-47 and im sure they will be lethal with it. Chinese troops are not push overs, which your post is giving me this strong impression of what you are writting.

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When I was talking about the type 56 I get that from wikipedia I already know the PLA is using type 81s and now Im taking that in cosideration, to be honest with you I dont know that riffles specs. I never say the PLA trainning was bad or c##p as maybe you though buddy... I just say U.S. Army trainning its better than the PLA. Oviusly amunnitions, micelaneous, trainning cost money that aint free buddy I read at
than all China's military budget was about a little over $65 billions including PLA, PLAAF and PLAN. U.S. Army alone is $80 billions. Now thats one of the ways I backed up my argument, besides even in you can find information about how the PLA and a lot of countries (including U.S.A.) TRADOC (trainning and doctrine) are
I take my experience in the U.S. Army and what I read in to describe U.S. forces and I take what I read in and a lot of other internet sources to describe the PLA. thats how I know information about the PLA and U.S. Forces. I respectfully ask you to take a loock to this website and tell me
your own conclussion. If you have a source than say otherwise please I ask you to let me know and if is in english much better. If someone here know any chinese military source in english Im eager to read what they say... probably I can learn a lot of stuff

Since the PLA is a concsript military with limitatoins on their budgets. To cut cost they probably don't give a lot training resources to units that are made up of troops waiting for their enlistments to run out and go home. While those in units like the 15th air corp, 115th div, Special Forces, the Navy and Air Force pilots where the personel are made up more mostly of people who have renlisted or are career military people. Those units will get all the training resources needed to keep them well trained and combat ready. As for the PLA budget the salary for a PLA serviceman is probably good in China since living cost are not as great as in the west.

^ This is the second time I've heard somebody in this forum say that the PLA is a conscript army. For crying out loud, this is supposed to be a forum for people at least somewhat knowledgeable about the PLA.

For the last time, please, listen: The PLA is not a conscript army!

Thank you.

On paper, PLA is a conscript army, just like on paper, the USA has a draft. It's there in law if it is needed, but not currently used.

Since when do tank crews wear rubber boots?

With apologies to Roger604, this thread over the last few posts seems to have gotten a little astray.

Here's a topic for this thread. Let's see if anyone wants to answer the questions that follow it:

As Crobato wrote in another thread in the last few days, the PLA from early days encouraged individual initiative and emphasized it even at the level of the Rifle Squad. At present, the PLA Rifle Squad has 10 men, led by an NCO (I am unsure, although it would be logical if there may be a second NCO to assist him) and is broken down into 3 teams: one, led by the Squad Commander himself, has a total of 4 men with assault rifles and 1 RPG; a second with a total of 3 men with assault rifles and 1 RPG; and the third with a total of 3 men with assault rifles and a "general-purpose machine gun" (actually a light machine gun of 5.8mm calibre).

Amongst other things, how much infantry training does the PLA infantryman typically receive at present, and what does it place particular emphasis upon, adherence to rote drills or real encouragement and development of quick-thinking on one's feet? Are private soldiers trained how to command the Rifle Squad if their NCO's are lost? What sort of professional development training do NCO's receive? How do these factors interact to determine how the PLA Rifle Squad functions and operates on the battlefield?