North Korea 'Military Reconnaissance Satellite 1' (군사정찰위성 1호)

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stoa1984

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Rocket stage recovery

Normally, recovery of rocket stages are governed by international laws. But, South Korea will not return the stolen Chollima SLV stage, as it sees the launch as a breach of previous UNSC resolutions. While having itself launched over the last years 3 Nuri SLVs in a row as it pleases totally unchecked. Of course, the more advanced technology of the DPRK might be the real reason behind this noonday highway robbery, in light of how inefficient the Nuri's turbopumps are.

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▲ Part of what the North Korean space launch vehicle that crashed into the sea off the west coast of the Korean Peninsula on Wednesday morning after being recovered by South Korea the same day.

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▲ The SK Joint Chiefs of Staff recovered a North Korean space launch vehicle stage in the waters 200 km west of Eocheong Island this morning.

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▲ Recovery operation by SK of a Chollima SLV stage.

The recovered cylindrical interstage indicates that 1st stage and 2nd stage have similar diameters, unlike the conical interstage of the previous Unha SLV.

12. Conclusion

The first stage having performed properly, this mission is rated as a 25% success.

Space is hard.

Wednesday is school day. For the next launch attempt, by choosing instead a weekend or holiday, under the direct guidance of General Kim Ju Ae, the Malligyong-1#2 《만리경 1호#2》 (10'000 Li Telescope 1 Unit 2, “万里镜-1”号#2) satellite should be placed into orbit with success next time.

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▲ Close up of coastal launch pad on May 31, 2023.

The South Korean Navy is trying to recover the 15-meter part that currently lies at a depth of 75 meters underwater in the Yellow Sea. The retrieval may take two more days.
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▲ From South Korean media reports the object ROK is attempting to recover is 15m long which if that is second stage then possible one of these two sections of the second stage. · Jun 1, 2023

Official picture of the launch

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▲ Official picture of Chollima-1 SLV launched from Sohae LC-2. (Juche112.6.1.)

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▲ Official picture of Chollima-1 SLV launched from Sohae LC-2. (Juche112.6.1.)

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▲ Provisional CGI rendering of the Chollima-1 SLV.

Four engines are clearly visible in the first stage. Burning likely the same N2O4/UDMH of the Hwasong-17 ICBM. Also Sohae LC-2 is identified as the launchpad. Diameter and height are still debated in the media.
Absence of frost rules out a cryogenic second stage or third stage.
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stoa1984

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12/31/2012 10:41:53​
The North Korean lunar exploration program will use a new Unha-9 launcher, made of three stages, exceeding 40 meters total long. The first stage diameter will be about 3 meters.
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Photogrammetric Measurement and Analysis

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▲ April 15, 2017 picture. Center: notice an Unha-3 represented left of a huge (meaning at least twice the size) Unha-9 model!

Rough estimations:

Unha-3 first stage is ~8 pixel in diameter, for a known 2.4 meters

Unha-3 third stage is ~4 pixel in diameter, for a known 1.25 meters


Unha-9 first stage is ~9 pixel in diameter, therefore ~2.7 meters

Unha-9 third stage is ~6 pixel in diameter, therefore ~1.9 meters

Unha-9 total height is ~69 pixels, therefore ~37.7 meters

Conclusion this artistic representation suggests a ~3 meters diameter first stage and ~2 meters diameter third stage, perfectly fitting the previous assessments for the Unha-9.




9.1. Numeromancy

We will use a powerful tool to predict the date of the launch window of this 6th North Korean attempt at placing a functional satellite into orbit!

'Numeromancy' is a cutting-edge predictive OSINT technique focussed on finding clues for future world events through the study of the science of numbers.

Lucky and Unlucky the Korea Way
  • The number 9 in East Asia

    Since Nine, the highest single-digit number in base ten, stands for completeness and eternity, many emperors in the ancient China love the number a lot. ‘Nine Continents’ is used to describe the large territory of an empire. The emperors wore Nine-dragon Imperial Robes, ordered to construct Nine-dragon Walls and other buildings with relationship with number 9 in the imperial palaces, to show their great power, hope for longevity, and eternal reign of their empire.

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    ▲ Ultimate evolution of the Long March space launch vehicle family, the CZ-9, for Moon landing, with 140 T LEO capability. April 15, 2017 CGI. 【长征九号/CZ-9】爱好者制作的想象图
  • The number 9 in North Korea

    The North Korean Supreme leadership and the number nine.

    It all started at the time of Korea's liberation from Japanese occupation, when there were eight shamans representing the eight provinces of Korea. Out of these, the strongest shaman was thought to be the one from Pyongan-do. He is said to have told Kim Il Sung that the destiny of his bloodline was aligned with the ninth number, which is considered auspicious in East Asia.

    Perhaps it was because of this that Kim Il Sung declared the founding date of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea to be 9 September. Although there were five provinces at the time, he increased the number to nine. The Supreme Guard Command, Kim Il Sun's personal bodyguard corps, was named Unit 963 (double nine is an especially lucky combination).

    The Supreme leadership has its own food chain, also using the number nine. Throughout North Korea you will find so-called No 9 farms and No 9 work details, specially assigned by the central party's financial administration department. Their produce is used to feed the supreme leadership, and these meals are called No 9 products.

    Kim Jong Il is said to have repeatedly stressed the fact that his birthday fell on 16 February (1+6+2=9). He decreed that the numberplates of his vehicles should read 2.16; and then, so as to disguise his personal vehicles, assigned this as a common numberplate for all of North Korea's inner elite.

    Kim Jong Il was appointed to the highest military post on 24 December (2+4+1+2=9). His appointment as party secretary, which effectively formalised his powers, was made three years and three months after the death of his father, Kim Il Sung.

    Applying this to recent North Korean history, we note that Kim Jong Il gave his son, Kim Jong Un, his first public role as general of the Korean People's Army on 27 September 2010 (2+7=9, plus the 9th month, equals double nine). On 11 April (20)12 (1+1+4+1+2=9) Kim Jong Un was appointed first secretary of the Korean Workers' party. Then on 18 July 2012, he was appointed to the rank of marshal.

    When North Korea makes international news with an impending rocket launch or nuclear test, outside analysts often cite recent birthdays of the Kims, or other state anniversaries, as influencing the choice of date. But a closer look suggests it has more to do with the number nine.

    The country's first nuclear test took place on 9 October 2006. The second space launch was on 5 April 2009 (5+4=9 and nine of 2009, double nine). Another one was successfully launched on 12 December 2012 (1+2+1+2+1+2=9). There was a nuclear test on 12 February (20)13 (1+2+2+1+3=9). A recent North Korean video released on YouTube, in which the first North Korean manned spaceship is launched, features a rocket labelled Unha-9.

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    ▲ Unha-9 as depicted in the lobby of the Koryo Hotel in Pyongyang back in October 2013.

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Analysis of past launches:

Launch date (Pyongyang)Time (Pyongyang)National designatorNumeromancy analysis
31 AUG 199812:07Kwangmyongsong-13+1+8=12 : over
5 JUL 200605:01Kwangmyongsong-2-15+7=12 : over
5 APR 200911:20Kwangmyongsong-2-25+4=9| (20)09 = double 9
13 APR 20127:38:55Kwangmyongsong-3-11+3+4=8 : too short
12 DEC 201209:49:46Kwangmyongsong-3-21+2+1+2+1+2=9
7 FEB 201609:00Kwangmyongsong-47+2=9 | 2016=2+0+1+6=9
31 MAY 20236:27Malligyong-13+1+5+=9

Forecast of next favorable lucky date for launch windows:

31 May (2023): 3+1+5=9
3 June (2023): 3+6=9
2 July (2023): 2+7=9
1 August (2023): 1+8=9
1 December (20)23: 1+1+2+2+3=9
2 January (20)24: 2+1+2+4=9
8 January (2024): 8+1=9
1 February (20)24: 1+2+2+4=9
7 February (2024): 7+2=9
 

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The name Malligyong-1 《만리경-1호》 (10'000 Li Telescope 1 Unit 1, “萬里鏡-1”号#1) means a telescope. The name Cholligyong (천리경, 1'000 Li Telescope, 千里鏡), was what telescopes were called in the late Choson period when they were first imported in 1609 from the Great Ming Dynasty of China.
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Payload fairing is about 3 meters in diameter, larger than the first stage. This could mean the Chollima-1 SLV it is intended to place multiple satellites into orbit in a single launch.




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▲ North Korea’s disclosed space launchers: Paektusan-1, Unha-2, Unha-3, Kwangmyongsong (Unha-4), Chollima-1. · Jun 2, 2023

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▲ Orbital launch attempts (12/13) by both North Korea and South Korea, as of 31st May 2023. · Jun 3, 2023




China and ROK competing to recover North Korean rocket debris, data suggests
June 9, 2023
Ship records show uptick in Chinese patrols in Yellow Sea, as source says Beijing may seek to retrieve wreckage for DPRK
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“The rights to the debris will fall to the quickest, most capable salvage responders,” Neil Watts, a former member of the U.N. Panel of Experts [said]..
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Both South Korea and China can likely claim the debris under the United Nations Conventions on Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), he added.
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▲ Chinese vessels near the area where South Korean authorities are searching for the debris of a North Korean rocket on June 8, 2023.





Future Notice

Pyongyang, June 4 (KCNA) --
As IMO responded to the DPRK's advance notice on its satellite launch with the adoption of an anti-DPRK "resolution", we will regard this as its official manifestation of stand that the DPRK's advance notice is no longer necessary.
In the future, IMO should know and take measures by itself over the period of the DPRK's satellite launch and the impact point of its carrier and be prepared for taking full responsibility for all the consequences to be entailed from it.
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(Juche112.6.4.)
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South Korea's early launches used a Russian lower stage. Only recently have they switched to their own design. It kind of looks like US Thor/Delta launcher. But it seems to work quite well. The latest North Korean launcher also seems surprisingly more advanced than their older ones, but they still haven't gotten it to work quite right just yet.
 

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12. Rocket stage recovery

First image of the sunken debris


June 16, 2023

The South Korean military has retrieved a sunken part of an ill-fated North Korean space rocket from the Yellow Sea, officials said Friday, capping a weekslong salvage operation hamstrung by poor underwater visibility, fast currents and other obstacles.

It raised the wreckage, presumed to be part of the rocket's second stage, Thursday evening, the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) said,

On the same day, the South Korean military identified the wreckage when it splashed into the waters some 200 kilometers west of the western island of Eocheong. But it dropped to the sea floor at a depth of 75 meters due in part to its heavy weight.

The lifted wreckage was around 12 meters long -- shorter than previously thought -- and 2 to 3 meters in diameter. The large portion of the rocket, thought to be about 30 meters long in total, could help elucidate how far North Korea's rocket technology has come, observers said.

It was split into two parts, as the upper 2.5-meter-long section broke off due to a crack that had widened while being transported to the vessel.


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[단독] 인양해 보니 2단 엔진이 없다 …한미 합동 조사


2023.06.16
출처 : SBS 뉴스
[Exclusive] When I lifted it, "there is no 2nd stage engine"... Korea-US joint investigation

However, our coverage confirmed that the salvaged wreckage did not have an engine, which could be said to be the core of the North Korean rocket. It seems to have fallen off somewhere in the process of crashing into the sea, but we and the US plan to conduct a joint investigation.

It is for this reason that the military announced that it had salvaged the upper part of the second-stage propellant tank, not the entire second-stage propellant tanks.

After the North Korean rocket exploded in the air, it disintegrated into about 180 pieces and fell into the West Sea.

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Rocket Debris Diameter And Size


2023年 06月 16日 20:58

据推测,被打捞出水的运载器二级箭体为铝合金材质,长约12米,上部直径2.3米,下部直径2.8米。箭体上部约2.5米长的部分在打捞过程中脱落

According to Yonhap Chinese, the upper part's diameter is 2.3 m, bottom diameter is 2.8 m, length about 12 m, with the 2.5 m interstage section that fell off the length is 14.5 m.

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▲ Youtube Video @T=31s: 동체에 '천마'…북 2단 추진체 보름 만에 인양 / SBS 8뉴스 Jun 16, 2023

Provisional Photogrammetric Measurement and Analysis

By resizing all internet CGI of the Chollima-1 SLV with the official KCNA picture's second stage diameter, it is obvious that the usual paid trolls have been busy lately. And with ulterior motives.

These are the ones listed by google search.

Indeed, none of them have respected the proportions of the 3 stages and fairings. Not to mention the farcical undersized diameters.

Consequently the resulting total length of the Chollima-1 SLV vary from about 27 meters to about 60 meters.

And the number of first stage engines vary from 1 to 4.

Note that South Korean media report a total length of about 30 meters and 4 engines in the first stage.

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▲ Lineup of internet CGIs of the Chollima-1 SLV with the official KCNA picture (2nd and 3rd from left).

As for the recovered stage, is can not be the rocket's second stage as reported by South Korea for the following reasons:

• The visible cable raceway on the conical part does support the assumption that the part is an intertank section. From Unha to Hwasongpho-17, cable raceway is not visible on interstage section.

• There is no second stage engine in the conical part, not because it fell off during the impact at sea but because it is an intertank section.
During 1st stage and second stage separation procedure, the conical part should have been severed by explosive circumferential charge from the 2.8 meter first stage. But it is still attached to both the upper 2.3 m part and bottom 2.8 m section.

• Kerbal Space simulation youtube video shows that the recovered debris is the upper part of the first stage. The 2.8 meter section is simply too small to be the first stage, it would not provide enough delta-V.
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T= 44 minutes and 42 seconds.

• Conclusion, the recovered debris is the first stage upper part, with the bottom and the 4 Paektusan-1D engines missing.
The first stage oxidizer and fuel tanks are of different diameters.

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▲ Provisional CGI rendering of the Chollima-1 SLV compared to the Hwasongpho-17 ICBM, Unha SLV and CZ-2C.

The 2.3 meter diameter and 2.5 meter long interstage section is where the second stage engine was located before stage separation.

It gives out the dimension of the Paektusan-1B engine.

The debris of the second stage are not in the vicinity of the recovered first stage but outside of the NOTAM's designated impact zone, and much further south or east, since the high altitude vacuum engine was ignited and has burned a few seconds before failing.


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South Korea's early launches used a Russian lower stage. Only recently have they switched to their own design. It kind of looks like US Thor/Delta launcher. But it seems to work quite well. The latest North Korean launcher also seems surprisingly more advanced than their older ones, but they still haven't gotten it to work quite right just yet.

The Chollima-1 SLV is nothing South Korea can boast about, nor even China before its 31st launch in 1990 with the introduction of the CZ-2E SLV, that came only 20 years after its first CZ-1 SLV.

Indeed, once again, the liftoff thrust of the chollima-1 SLV is 320-tf developed by 4 Paektusan-1D engines of 80-tf. Compared to the South Korean Nuri's 4 engines of 75-tf totalling only 300-tf.

Prior to the CZ-2E SLV of 5923-tf, China most powerful launchers (CZ-2D/2, CZ-3A, CZ-4A) could only develop 2962-tf at liftoff.
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Make no mistake, North Korea is such a heavyweight that the Chollima-class SLV is said to be capable to send an astronaut into LEO!

Such powerful thrust is enough to easily place a 2-tons-class Shuguang-1 type manned-space capsule into space:

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▲ “曙光一号”载人飞船(代号714工程),有两名航天员驾驶,最长飞行时间为八天,争取1973年发射无人飞船,1974年发射载人飞船。而“曙光一号”的运载火箭,就准备用“东风-6”号环球导弹。

Look at the picture below : the mythological Chollima flying horse on the right, and an astronaut spacewalking along a manned space launcher on the left.

Notice that the space launcher has same diameter for the first stage and second stage. Something not seen yet in the current Chollima-1 SLV.

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▲ 조선소년단창립 77돐경축 학생소년들의 종합공연 《고마운 우리 해님》 진행 (1). June 6 this year marks the 77th founding anniversary of the Korean Children’s Union. Taken on June 6, 2023

The represented rocket has 3 portholes indicative of a manned space launcher. This depiction is not new, and is only making its return this year after several years in hiatus due to the worldwide COVID-19 pandemics.

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▲ 朝鲜版使者三号戊型(Safir-3E)或宝座号丙型(Sarir-C)运载火箭。 Our Dream 우리의 꿈. 2019年3月18日。

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After several rocket engine static tests conducted at Sohae SLC to fix the problems affecting the unstable engine of the second stage and witnessed by satellite imagery, North Korea is ready to proceed with its 2nd orbital attempt with the powerful new CZ-2D class Chollima-1 SLV, and only 2 months after the failed maiden flight:


North Korea intends to launch satellite between Aug. 24 and 31: Kyodo

SEOUL, Aug. 22 (Yonhap) -- North Korea has notified Japan of its plan to launch a satellite between Thursday and Aug. 31, according to a Japanese news report, as the country seeks to put a spy satellite into orbit following its failure in May.

The North informed Japan's coast guard of its plan to designate three maritime danger zones -- two of which are west of the Korean Peninsula and the other is to the east of the Philippines' island of Luzon, Japan's Kyodo News reported Tuesday.

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Launch window from 8月24日0000-8月31日0000

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▲ 【緊急情報】衛星ロケット打ち上げ 2023年08月22日 04:50

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▲ Drop zone coordinates similar to the previous ones.

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▲ Speculative second stage (green) and third stage (yellow) dogleg manoeuvres.

Following this successful next milestone, this will bring North Korea closer to it's stated goal to join the most elite club of lunar soft landing great powers, as the world only 5th nation, following the Soviet Union, the U.S., China and India.


AP Exclusive: North Korea hopes to plant flag on the moon

Aug 4, 2016

PYONGYANG, North Korea (AP) -- North Korean space officials are hard at work on a five-year plan to put more advanced satellites into orbit by 2020, and don't intend to stop there: They're also aiming for the moon, and beyond.

In an interview with The Associated Press, a senior official at North Korea's version of NASA said international sanctions won't stop the country from launching more satellites by 2020, and that he hopes to see the North Korean flag on the moon within the next 10 years.

"Even though the U.S. and its allies try to block our space development, our aerospace scientists will conquer space and definitely plant the flag of the DPRK on the moon," said Hyon Kwang Il, director of the scientific research department of North Korea's National Aerospace Development Administration.
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Hyon said the sanctions are "ridiculous."

"Our country has started to accomplish our plan and we have started to gain a lot of successes," he said. "No matter what anyone thinks, our country will launch more satellites."

He said North Korea's long-term target is to use its satellites to provide data for crop and forestry assessments and improved communications. It also intends "to do manned spaceflight and scientific experiments in space, make a flight to the moon and moon exploration and also exploration to other planets."

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Chollima-1 SLV Second launch

KCNA Report on Accident in Second Launch of Military Reconnaissance Satellite
Pyongyang, August 24 (KCNA) -- The National Aerospace Development Administration (NADA) of the DPRK conducted the second launch of reconnaissance satellite Malligyong-1 aboard the new-type carrier rocket Chollima-1 at the Sohae Satellite Launching Ground in Cholsan County of North Phyongan Province at dawn of August 24, Juche 112 (2023).
The flights of the first and second stages of the rocket were normal, but the launch failed due to an error in the emergency blasting system during the third-stage flight.
The NADA said that it would make clear in a short span of time the reason why the emergency blasting system was operated abnormally.
Explaining that the cause of the relevant accident is not a big problem in aspect of the reliability of cascade engines and the system, the NADA expressed the stand that it would conduct the third reconnaissance satellite launch in October after thoroughly probing the reason and taking measures. -0-
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No rain or clouds at Sohae around the time of North Korea's launch (3:50am DPRK Thursday; 18:50 Wednesday UTC).

The rocket failed due to accidental activation of self-destruct system during 3rd stage flight. The error does not concern the reliability of engines and the overall system. NADA to attempt a 3rd launch in October.

Getting to third stage is a big improvement. Question is, was the self destruct system autonomous flight system autonomous flight termination system or a remote system that was accidentally triggered?

Mission rating

☑ 1st stage: 25%
☑ 2nd stage: 50%
☒ 3rd stage: 75%
☒ satellite deployment: 100%

From the Japanese Ministry of Defence's provisional map, the 2nd stage dogleg manoeuver was successfully accomplished for the first time, as a new milestone for NADA.

No indication of the 3rd stage's heading, final orbital inclination angle or debris slash zone.

On the plus side, this time the South Koreans will not be able to retrieve the second stage, third stage and satellite, both lying at several kilometers deep in the abyss of the Pacific Ocean, without a Glomar Explorer pirate ship! A treasure time capsule awaiting future generations of explorers.

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▲ Japanese Ministry of Defence's provisional map. 2023

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Space is hard.

In May, the first stage having performed properly, the mission was rated at a 25% success.

This time, the second stage having performed properly, this mission's rating has increased to a 50% success.

The reported launch time at 3:50am Thursday was too early for benefiting from the direct guidance of General Kim Ju Ae.

Corrective measure can be taken though for the coming Malligyong-1#3 《만리경 1호#3》 (10'000 Li Telescope 1 Unit 2, “万里镜-1”号#3) satellite launch of October.

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