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sheogorath

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Wonder what is the source of the original design, Ukraine through Iran given than some of Iran's own cruise missiles are copies of Kh-55 sold by Ukraine?
 

Broccoli

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Wonder what is the source of the original design, Ukraine through Iran given than some of Iran's own cruise missiles are copies of Kh-55 sold by Ukraine?

Chinese CJ-10 is also based on KH-55. All have their own modifications but most visible one is the fact that Chinese and North-Koreans missiles don't have turbine blades hanging out of the missiles rear end.
 

Stealthflanker

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Chinese CJ-10 is also based on KH-55. All have their own modifications but most visible one is the fact that Chinese and North-Koreans missiles don't have turbine blades hanging out of the missiles rear end.

If you see Kalibr tho or RK-55 Reliyef. You will see the same trend. So if you trying to point on Soviet or Russia dont know how to make inlet. Then you are wrong.

There are 2 major design bureau in Russia involved in making things based on OKB Ekho's study on subsonic cruise missile in 1960's. They are Raduga and Novator.

Raduga makes that Kh-55 Granat with their unique signature of dropping turbofan engine to airstream while Novator makes the RK-55 Reliyef and 3K-10 Granat which become Kalibr with dropping inlet such as Tomahawk. Does Raduga stupid and not making flush inlet missiles ? No. you see the Kh-69.
 

sahureka

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WTF, how is this possible? It's suspicious to see such a backward and impoverished state churn out weapons systems that only major powers are able to develop. Unless most of it is just vaporware, of course.
perhaps all of us are sometimes misrepresented by the news coming from the so-called West, but have you ever wondered if instead the very heavy sanctions and embargoes instead of bringing North Korea back to its primitive era, were instead an incentive, an input to internal development certainly implemented with different parameters to ours; without forgetting that not only North Korea has been sanctioned, but Iran has also been sanctioned for over 40 years and this situation has also pushed them to national development both at a civilian and military level, thanks also to the high schooling of these nations. Help from abroad? probable, and certainly in the 90s the disintegration of the Soviet Union brought to the DPRK contributions both in terms of systems and knowledge, once these were acquired their independent path began, for a period certainly helped by the brief romance with South Korea in the joint management of an industrial complex in Kaesŏng (DPRK) in the early 2000s.
 

Stealthflanker

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Also we are living in 21st century where electronics are getting cheaper and with western companies massively outsource productions out of their nation. That kinda makes controlling parts difficult to some respect. Globalized use of cheap, accurate and reliable Satellite navigation might have alleviate issues with having to develop indigenous high precision gyroscope for INS.

What NK do is perhaps picking and combining the right parts and worked on to counter any ITAR limitations they might carry. Or use ITAR free parts maybe from China or Russia.

The cruise missile engine tho i believe indigenous. It doesnt have to be Turbofan however. Even a Turbojet with SFC of 1 as those typically found for hobbyist can still allow 1000+ km range to be attained.
 

sahureka

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I believe there is cooperation between Iran and North Korea about the propulsion system of the cruise missiles.
probably not only that, the sanctioned and embargoed countries are pushed to collaborate, therefore not only Iran, but also Myanmar, Cuba, etc. and not only at the military level, which can be with the classic direct export or transfer of knowledge and then be implemented in specific countries. A recent example in the military field is the naval cannon installed on some SES (Surface Effect Ship) units of the North Korean navy which looks a lot like a compact Oto Melara 76/62, thus excluding the transfer of technology by the Italians, this proposes a collaboration with the Iranians already making their own version of the Compact 76/62 called Fajr-27, I'm not thinking of a direct export of the entire system but of technical support and related projects.
A recent presentation of military systems also saw a version with a stealth turret of the Compact,
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even if the caliber of the gun has not yet been declared (classic 76mm with Western-type ammunition, or 76.2mm of the Soviet-Russian-Chinese type, or also in 85 mm caliber widely used in North Korea).
the same stealth dome is in the model of the new Iranian corvette project
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Conversely, Iran for the new CIWS Kamand may have received help making the 30mm Gatling gun from North Korea, which already produces a similar weapon,
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albeit with a different cupola.
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