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Deino

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What I mean is that I emphasized the "if" clause because I mentioned it as a reference; I don't believe it completely but I don't reject it either.

And come on, they were only mentioned recently. Even if the Russians/Belarusians actually started working on them right after they announced it, the time frame is still too short to have any tangible results.

No, the point is even to start thinking about it as if it would be realistic! That's plain PR and what if ...
 

gelgoog

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Do you really think Russia will develop "a single-engine fighter-bomber based on the MiG-23 and "real combat experience in the Ukrainian battlefield" or that Belarus is able to "restart production of Su-25 attack aircraft "with appropriate small technological support of the Russian Federation". That's nonsense!
I don't know who started that stupid MiG-23 upgrade rumor but I heard it before.
It is highly unlikely it will happen since Russia is working on the Okhotnik and Grom drones to do front line bombing. Those are the most likely aircraft to do that mission. Russia is not exactly swimming in pilots to put them in a 3rd generation aircraft that used to crash all the time like the MiG-23 doing front line bombing.

As for the Su-25 production on Belarus that was publicly announced by the Russian and Belarussian governments so it is highly likely it will happen. Not that I think it is a good idea. Just consider the MiG-35 line is basically devoid of orders and it is a much more advanced aircraft. Just order that.

Anyway I agree that this kind of discussion already went too far.
 
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Valiant 1002

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I don't know who started that stupid MiG-23 upgrade rumor but I heard it before.
It is highly unlikely it will happen since Russia is working on the Okhotnik and Grom drones to do front line bombing. Those are the most likely aircraft to do that mission. Russia is not exactly swimming in pilots to put them in a 3rd generation aircraft that used to crash all the time like the MiG-23 doing front line bombing.

As for the Su-25 production on Belarus that was publicly announced by the Russian and Belarussian governments so it is highly likely it will happen. Not that I think it is a good idea. Just consider the MiG-35 line is basically devoid of orders and it is a much more advanced aircraft. Just order that.

Anyway I agree that this kind of discussion already went too far.
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It also said that this was not a restart of the MiG-23/27 production, but rather a new aircraft based on that design. There will be many changes from the original design.
 

yugocrosrb95

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Calm down! There si no aircraft, he right and it‘s not denial .. in fact you denying reality with such daydreams as if NK could develop a fighter for an eventually delivered new engine, which could replace its fighters!
Take thsi as a clear warning! The only one who is claiming nonsense is you! As such prove your point or stop posting! That‘s the way it goes …
You need to stop posting all together as you go around other forums harassing people while you contribute absolutely nothing.

As for talking about nonsense is you when two years ago you made bold assertion that China would export J-10 to North Korea.
Just because of air to air missiles shown at Self Defense 2022 exhibition were similar to Chinese when differences were evident.
Instead of admitting you have jumped conclusion you instead doubled down despite being shown more and more differences.
Not to mention you mocked one of people for them stating that those missiles shown were indigenous design by North Korea.
Your focus is on China and their industry yet do you see me making judgements on them? No, unlike you on DPRK.

Another is your nonsense assertion about Russia and Belarus being nonsense on restarting Su-25 production, as too denial about viability of creating ground attack aircraft comparable to MiG-27 in role of deep penetration attacks, powered by single engine Al-31 or Al-41.

Your criticism of me comes from uninformed perspective and frankly willfully one when seemingly nothing about you changed in two years.
Nor do you have capacity to playthrough various scenarios and possibilities, especially now when it is hardly predictable unlike years ago.
For that matter I will give you advice that you should never forget if you are ever going to comment on North Korea and for that matter Iran.

Iran and North Korea have some joint civilian and military research and development as effectively marriage of convenience since 1980's.
Now consider Russia imported vast quantities of ammunitions and weapon systems from both Iran and North Korea during SMO in Ukraine.
Reasonable to not be surprised if North Korea also orders Yak-130 and even Su-35 as a way for Russia to pay off for ammunition, missiles.

There were only 2 of Yak-130's delivered to Iran since September of 2023 thus plausible Iranians are waiting for development of Yak-130M.
Yak-130M will have SM-100 engines replacing AI-222 series and former would be ideal candidate for Saetbyol-4 to replace stand in R-13/25.
Though North Korea has innate preference for domestic manufacturing whenever possible, could try to have licensed production of SM-100.

To cut it short, do not underestimate North Korea and be informed more about it. Read a book or two such as Path of Songun by Oryx Blog.
 

gelgoog

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Iran seems to have its own independent solid rocket program. Its missiles have no equivalents in North Korean service. The liquid rockets are based on North Korean designs but these will likely be phased out eventually.
 

Gloire_bb

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Same gun; updated turret shape(almost 100% light outer shell like before, but with extended ERA coverage). Redesigned APS more in line with the trendy iron fist setup(4 ready charges without reloads). Proper CITV and RWS(Koreans adore AGLs as usual), unlike before.
 

Valiant 1002

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Tor/HQ17-liked short range air defense system. There is a spec sheet and test shots included, but they are too small to make out clearly.
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Also, many drones and FPVs. 3 different types of cruise missiles - the white one is a submarine-launched? (Theoretically, it could also be ship-launched, if North Korea builds a naval launcher or VLS for it, ehehehe :3)
 
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yugocrosrb95

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Same gun; updated turret shape(almost 100% light outer shell like before, but with extended ERA coverage). Redesigned APS more in line with the trendy iron fist setup(4 ready charges without reloads). Proper CITV and RWS(Koreans adore AGLs as usual), unlike before.
This almost certainly is not Chonma-2 and instead is likely heavy tank Songun-2.
North Korea has both main battle tank and heavy tank categories in military.
Baseline Cheonma-ho including heavily improved such as "216" is former.
Compared to much larger and heavier Seon'gun-915 being of latter.
Raised engine deck is different and probably house MTU-883 clone.
Overall tank is larger by every measure, probably 8 axles not 7.
 
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