Next Generation Destroyer thread (after 055, 052D)

[FairAndUnbiased]

Or if the drone can be wirelessly charged, i.e. keeping the drone hovering by continuously beaming a laser beam at it.

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Might be slightly far-fetched at present, though.

Wireless charging via laser is actually pretty good, I wasn't sure how far along it was but from the paper it seems like it would work. Much better than microwave charging due to being able to tightly beam the laser and having 0 RF noise. Lasers can also be used to communicate, or even have the power laser be modulated to provide datalink as well.

Chinese scientists are doing very well in free space optical communications.

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[Nilou]

I think future destroyers should have a full length flight deck.
Consider the fact that the type 075 is cheaper than a type 052D.

There will be huge capacity for both helicopters and drones. Emergency facilities for J-35s is also possible.
They don't have to only function as carriers. They can also function as support ships/repair aircraft. The flexibility they can provide is huge.

They can also provide a place to land for planes if aircraft carriers have been sunk, saving valuable aircraft and pilots.

 

[Kich]

Best to name this thread future mid-size DDG Type-057 (or 058 if 054B actually turns out to be a new class).

This ship will succeed 052D and will probably displace 9K+ tons with around 90 VLS.

That seems more proper than the current heading which primary just insinuates about future variants of 052 and 055 classes (052E and 055A)

 

[dxq4412]

Best to name this thread future mid-size DDG Type-057 (or 058 if 054B actually turns out to be a new class).

This ship will succeed 052D and will probably displace 9K+ tons with around 90 VLS.

That seems more proper than the current heading which primary just insinuates about future variants of 052 and 055 classes (052E and 055A)

It is unknown if there will be any new plans for mid-sized DDG in the future, let alone the confusing Type-057. The current title is good, at least until we receive more detailed information.

 

[Andy1974]

In light of the recent study showing that it takes just 24 missiles to wreck a CSG you have to wonder what these future destroyers will really need.

I think a future destroyer must be focused on the anti-hypersonic air threat. There is no point making a next generation destroyer that can be killed by a few US equivalents of DF-26’s or DF-27’s.

 

[dxq4412]

I was thinking, if space intelligence capabilities become stronger in the future, will there come a day when all ocean surfaces become exposed with nowhere to hide? Will all surface ships have to find a way to hide below the water’s surface?

 

[banjex]

I think any discussion of future capabilities must also factor in costs.

Given how expensive labour, materials and everything else has gotten (thanks, infinite money printing), the numbers game is making a comeback. Quality alone is not enough when you only have a tiny number of those platforms/systems.

Ukraine has demonstrated this. If there isn't a major capability gap between the two sides (as there won't be between China and the US in the near future), the side with greater numbers has the advantage.

It seems like in the post Cold War era we went too far toward high end, expensive capability.

It may be time to turn back a little toward good ol fashioned quantity; obviously, not in the Soviet mass mobilization way.

What do you think?

 

[Michaelsinodef]

I think any discussion of future capabilities must also factor in costs.

Given how expensive labour, materials and everything else has gotten (thanks, infinite money printing), the numbers game is making a comeback. Quality alone is not enough when you only have a tiny number of those platforms/systems.

Ukraine has demonstrated this. If there isn't a major capability gap between the two sides (as there won't be between China and the US in the near future), the side with greater numbers has the advantage.

It seems like in the post Cold War era we went too far toward high end, expensive capability.

It may be time to turn back a little toward good ol fashioned quantity; obviously, not in the Soviet mass mobilization way.

What do you think?

No worries, China will continue to have a cost advantage over the US while also being able to field more people and equipment if needed.

 

[banjex]

Yeah, not framing the discussion explicitly as China vs US. Just trying to keep it general to avoid baiting anyone lol

 

[BoraTas]

I was thinking, if space intelligence capabilities become stronger in the future, will there come a day when all ocean surfaces become exposed with nowhere to hide? Will all surface ships have to find a way to hide below the water’s surface?

IMO this is very hard to answer now. But it is fairly evident that the commoditization of satellites and long-range precise missiles will make surface-to-surface strikes very prominent going forward. We already see ballistic missiles getting used for taking out artillery, tanks, individual air defenses, and even small depots in the Russian-Ukrainian war. Ukraine engaged in a successful interdiction campaign using HIMARS, etc... These were the jobs of conventional air power just 15 years ago.