NEXGEN CRUISER as a carrier killer
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You know, really think there's some merit in putting ASBMs on a ship ones they are mature. But that radar will create some intense stability problems I'm sure. It raises the center of gravity way above the waterline, wich isn't good at all. And it provides a huge sail area for wind from the sides, further aggrevating the stability problems.
Such a ship should just rely on target data provided by other assets like sats, MPAs, HALE UAVs, SSNs ...
Such a ship should just rely on target data provided by other assets like sats, MPAs, HALE UAVs, SSNs ...
Or, if you really had the ability to target moving targets like carriers 2000km out to sea (which is very doubtful and very dubious IMHO) then use your SSBNs. Build two or three specifcally outfitted with said SLBM outfitted with convetnional warheads for this purpose and use the external targeting data that you will be required to have in any case to feed that targeting data to your sub either through VLF or ELF means.
The PLAN, the USN, the UK, the French and the Russians already have stable platforms for launching these missiles, and those platforms are much more stealthy and survivable than what I am seeing here...again, assuming that the target identification, acquisition, tracking and adjustment capability exists to allow such a missile to hit it...and assuming the weapon system itself (the RV on the missile) had the ability to re-acquire and then manuever in a high ECM environment once it arrived in the vicinity.
My own guess is that the new US Tactical Tomahawk, with its two-way sat communication capability, its precision GPS capability, its ability to loiter in a target area and send new data back to its orgiginating platform and receive new targeting data while on station, will be the first long range anti-shipping strike missile with such a capability. And that is assuming it can overcome the likely ECM environment it is presented with once arriving on station.
Right, an SLBM is most probably the best option for sea based ASBM. With both options there is of course still the much discussed question about how a BM coming out of the ocean looks to somebody else, and how fast in can be decided it's only a 2000km range missile.
Hopefully not getting too far off, but to comment on your tactical tomahawk statement: A missile fully implemented in a network, that can search a target area itself and reley target information to other missiles in the network is for sure a a good move.
So far I was not sure however if a naval variant of the TacTom was just a consideration or decided already. What's the current status?
Hopefully not getting too far off, but to comment on your tactical tomahawk statement: A missile fully implemented in a network, that can search a target area itself and reley target information to other missiles in the network is for sure a a good move.
So far I was not sure however if a naval variant of the TacTom was just a consideration or decided already. What's the current status?
Raytheon has proposed it and I believe it will be implemented. All of the technology already exists and just needs to be integrated.
cloyce
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I think you're right for the stability problem, maybe a tri-hull design will be better.
For the targeting part, PLAN already have some UAV project in developement and they are developing sat assets.
The problem is here we are talking about high level engagement, GPS signal or Beidou signal can be easily jammed, I don't think PLAN will completely rely on Beidou 2 in case of war against USA.
Besides, both USA and China have demostrated ASAT capability (Aegis and DF-21), so space assets are really unrelieble in case a serious war broke out.
Moreover, according to US military China have also demostrated Anti-satellite laser blinding capability and Anti-satellite EMP disrupting capability. This further complicate the game.
So, I think any reliable sat-datalink or GPS targeting will really be a problem in case of war. Instead a ballistic missile as the speed advantage.
And remember that MPA / UAV can be intercepted once they enter within the combat range of carrierborne fighter.
Here is a interesting article about chinese AShBM.
They also talked about about the Antiship EMP cluster munition and Antiship Anti-radiation cluster munition. I think these 2 type of warhead could be very effective.
On the Verge of a Game-Changer
By Andrew S. Erickson and David D. Yang
A Chinese antiship ballistic missile could alter the rules in the Pacific and place U.S. Navy carrier strike groups in jeopardy ... ...
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cloyce
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I just want to remeber everybody of what I said at the beginning. PLAN does not have carrier, so it can not deploy UAV far away from its litoral water. PLAN SSNs are not enough quite. PLAN cannot protect it's sufficiently its surface ship from airstrike ecc.. What about it's abroad economic interest if a sino-US war broke out?
Carriers aren't needed for UAVs at sea, even the USN has demonstrated that as such, so any sizeable surface combatant would be able to deploy them as needed.
cloyce
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Can you explain better? What type of UAV?