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AssassinsMace

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Homegrown CBHD discs outsell Blu-ray by 3-1 margin in China

The HD format war continues in China. TV Tokyo broke major CBHD news last week, but some of the numbers were lost in translation. It turns out that CBHD doesn't lead BD by 3 percent, as commonly reported, but by a factor of 3, owning 30 percent of the Chinese market.

By Ari Allyn-Feuer |
August 2, 2009 3:00 PM CT

A Japanese TV station broke a major piece of news on the progress of China Blue High Definition (a China-grown competitor to Blu-ray) in the China market last week, but the English-language technology press, through a translation mistake, misreported the news. It turns out that CBHD penetration in China appears to have hit a staggering 30 percent, in only a few months on the market.


The story, from TV-tokyo.co.jp, features text and video, and on perusing a Google translated version of the text, and spotting the number "6" next to "DVD," "3" next to "CBHD" and "1" next to Blu-Ray, one site reported that CBHD had "a 3% market share lead on Blu-ray." A number of other publications picked up the story and reported similarly. One even went so far as to claim CBHD dominance in Japan. A more accurate translation obtained by Ars from professional Japanese translator Camellia Nieh shows that the true story is far more interesting. TV Tokyo visited Gome, a major retail chain in China, where CBHD discs and players were flying off the shelf, while Blu-Ray players and discs languished. They also visited a factory for one of the largest CBHD manufacturers. Sources in these companies tell TV Tokyo that, in the China market, CBHD already constitutes some 30 percent of all disc players sold, while Blu-Ray accounts for 10 percent, similar to its penetration in the USA. DVD is responsible for the remaining 60 percent. That China has achieved 30 percent CBHD penetration, the sources say, reflects the strength of the format, as well as the determination of a nationalistic Chinese government and industry seeking to avoid foreign licensing fees on DVD and BD technology and make a greater profit on domestic sales.
At the retail store, a pretty shop girl (some things don't need translation) tells TV Tokyo that while the players are more expensive than DVD players (almost $300), the discs are cheap, and she expects the format to spread rapidly because of a marked difference in quality between DVD and CBHD. Retail cost of CBHD discs worked out to about US$7.40, while Blu-Ray discs cost US$29.60—close to what they do in the USA.

At the CBHD factory, owned by Shanghai United Optical Disc corporation, a joint consortium between China Record Shanghai and Japanese Memory Tech, managers expressed excitement over CBHD. They said that while the components of a CBHD player are more expensive, the homegrown format, with some technology licensed from the defunct HD DVD players at a bargain, avoids about $21 in licensing fees on each player compared to DVD, and even more compared to BD, leaving a much higher profit. Meanwhile, the discs are almost as cheap to press as DVDs. They expect to be pressing over a hundred titles in CBHD within the year, and hundreds next year.

The ultimate spread of the new format will be controlled partly by its adoption by American movie studios. Of the six major studios, only Warner Brothers is currently shipping its library on CBHD, leaving WB titles and domestic Chinese films as the only legitimate CBHD content. Of course, content from other studios may well end up on the new format, since commercial piracy is widespread in China. If penetration rises as rapidly as it has so far, nearly the whole Chinese market may transition in a matter of a year or two, leaving hundreds of millions of players ready and eager for cheap, available American films. Given this, content providers may be interested in making at least some money off the CBHD distribution of their titles, and sign with CBHD defensively.

Indeed, if the CBHD scaleup is so rapid, and costs so low, why not take the new format beyond China's shores? The engineer interviewed at the CBHD factory believes there's a strong market for the player in other emerging countries, and that the new format could come to dominate HD sales in other parts of the world, and possibly even in western strongholds where Blu-Ray is currently the only physical HD format in town. If this happens, it would represent a major victory for China, which has, in the past, mostly licensed technology from other countries. Building on its success with Super Video CD (SVCD) in the domestic Chinese market, the Chinese manufacturing machine would have begun to flex its muscle with Chinese IP, abroad.
 

Roger604

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Licensing fees for any technology standard (including WCDMA) are big bucks.

China can develop similar technology standards and associated equipment for significantly less money -- undercutting on lower R&D costs -- and we can undercut them in the market

This is the same concept as those export plants doing low wage assembly / processing but for high tech products instead of clothing.
 

challenge

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browsing the newspaper, I come across news report that Chinese firm introduced Chinese I-phone,I am not sure which company.any info?
 

crobato

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browsing the newspaper, I come across news report that Chinese firm introduced Chinese I-phone,I am not sure which company.any info?

Depends on which:

1. There are tons of Chinese iPhone Shanzhai (term for cheap copy). Lots of iPhone clones out there, but Shanzhai also extends to the weird creativity, like in the "Jesusphone" or the "Buddhaphone", which are phones made to look like a cross or a Buddha. I think the best iPhone clone out there, with some features actually better than the iPhone, is the Meizu M8, which uses a heavily redressed Windows Mobile OS.

2. China Mobile is introducing the OPhone, which is actually based on Google Android.

3. China Unicom is introducing the UPhone, which is also based on Google Android.

4. China Unicom is working in completing a deal with Apple, bringing the iPhone to the Chinese market. Its a fact that the iPhone, in a variant minus the Wifi capability and App Store, passed the Chinese FCC last May.
 

Hendrik_2000

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If penetration rises as rapidly as it has so far, nearly the whole Chinese market may transition in a matter of a year or two, leaving hundreds of millions of players ready and eager for cheap, available American films. Given this, content providers may be interested in making at least some money off the CBHD distribution of their titles, and sign with CBHD defensively.

Early in this thread I believe bladerunner said that Sony through their content provider subsidiary naturally will protect their blueray sytem. Therefore it spell doom to newcomer like China

I guess the market for millions just to tempting to resists. China is not Japan, NHK docomo lost the cell phone standard because Japanese market is just too small

I guess China wil repeat what they have done to automobil industry . Built the highway first then the cars will follow. Built many DVD player then the content provider will stamps the DVD and if they don't the pirate will fill the market
 
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bladerunner

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Early in this thread I believe bladerunner said that Sony through their content provider subsidiary naturally will protect their blueray sytem. Therefore it spell doom to newcomer like China

No i didnt, I used the word might and could in my posts regarding the matter(P32/onwards} I said, unless they get the support of the major movie studios it could go the way like HD DVD, when trying to capture the Western Markets

As well as that, they could also encounter problems being accepted in the Western Markets, eg. as a form of protection against losses on pirated copies of movies, the studios lobby for a extra duty to be placed on the product, making it the same price or dearer to the Blue Ray alternative.
 
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crobato

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LTE is one of the two 4G standards that is competing. The other is WiMax.

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ZTE is "Top 3" Global LTE Network Infrastructure Vendor
(Business News & Technology News, 5 Aug 2009)

ZTE Corporation (ZTE) has been named a “Top 3” LTE Network Infrastructure Vendor by Gartner, the world's leading information technology research and advisory company. In its latest industry report, “Dataquest Insight: Scorecard for Vendors of Long Term Evolution Network Infrastructure,” Gartner uses an item-by-item rating method to comprehensively evaluate the performance of global LTE vendors.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Asian competitors cast shadow over German solar industry
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BERLIN, Aug 18 (AFP) Aug 18, 2009
Germany's solar power industry, until recently the world leader in the technology, is facing an unprecedented crisis, analysts say, outshone by cheaper competitors from Asia, most notably Chinese firms.
Q-Cells, the world's biggest solar cell producer, last week issued a far from glowing set of results, with losses of 700 million euros (984 million dollars) in the first half of the year.

As a result, the German firm said it would cut 500 jobs from its workforce of 2,600 and put others on part-time working arrangements.

The crisis in the German solar industry is affecting small companies as well as giants such as Q-Cells. Only three months ago, start-up Sunline declared bankruptcy with the loss of all its 78 employees.

A glance at the TecDax, Germany's tech-heavy stock market index, nicknamed "SunDax" for the predominance of solar firms, tells the story, with some companies losing around 30 percent of their value since the start of 2008.

"The fact is that Germany is losing more and more of its market leading position in renewable energy production to the United States and China," said Matthias Fawer from Swiss bank Sarasin, quoted in German weekly Die Zeit.

"Asian cell and module producers are going to squeeze out the Germans," Anne Kreutzmann, the chief editor of solar trade newspaper Photon, told the Financial Times Deutschland.

The main reason is simple: Chinese solar power companies are able to produce cells much more cheaply, due to lower labour costs and also the plummeting price for silicon, the raw material for solar cell manufacture.

Whereas German firms are tied in to long-term contracts for silicon deliveries, Chinese firms have been sourcing it from the spot market, where the price has dropped by around 70 percent in the past few months.

According to a survey from Photon Consulting, while it costs a German firm such as Ersol 1.01 dollars per watt to produce a solar cell, Chinese company Suntech can manufacture the same cell for 35 cents per watt.

All in all, production costs for the solar industry are as much as 30 percent lower in China than in Germany, according to a UBS study.

Chinese firms also benefit from state support and the effect has been to push prices for solar cells down significantly in the past few years.

Adding to its troubles, the German solar industry's export market, which accounts for over 40 percent of turnover, is beginning to dry up in key areas.

For example, following the decision by the Spanish government to stop subsidies for installing solar panels, the market there, which had previously enjoyed 200-percent growth rates, has crashed.

The consequences could be severe for the industry, which in 2008 employed around 75,000 people and turned over approximately seven billion euros, according to the latest data from industry association BSW.

"A large proportion of German solar cell and solar module producers will not survive," Patrick Hummel, an analyst from UBS, told the Financial Times Deutschland.

China's market share for solar cells is already on the increase, with around one in three cells already produced there, according to industry estimates.

And faced with this competition from the east, the attitude of many firms has been: if you can't beat them, join them.

Q-Cells is shipping solar cells to China to transform them into solar modules and recently announced a tie-up with Chinese solar wafer firm LDK Solar. The firm has also opened a production line in Malaysia.

Another German firm, Solarworld, has already built a factory in South Korea.

Kreutzmann, from Photon magazine, said German industry will be pushed out of the way "unless the Germans in future also shift their production to Asia."
 

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Asian competitors cast shadow over German solar industry
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BERLIN, Aug 18 (AFP) Aug 18, 2009
Germany's solar power industry, until recently the world leader in the technology, is facing an unprecedented crisis, analysts say, outshone by cheaper competitors from Asia, most notably Chinese firms.
Q-Cells, the world's biggest solar cell producer, last week issued a far from glowing set of results, with losses of 700 million euros (984 million dollars) in the first half of the year........

Nice. To fix global warming, we need to bring the 'China prices' to green energy tech. Pray that the developed world don't hold the world hostage again putting obstacles to these green tech by adopting protectionist measures to fend off competition from China.
 
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