News on China's scientific and technological development.

gadgetcool5 said:

Huawei has already failed and so has China.

China is being cut out of the global market and global supply chains controlled by the US.

Every country is at the mercy of the US. Not only China.

Tell me, was the Chinese economy booming during the autarky era of Mao Zedong in the 1970s? Was China rich then? Was China booming during the Qing Dynasty in the 1800s?

China should seek better relations with the US and the world.

When China seeks better relations, as under Deng Xiaoping, Jiang Zemin, and Hu Jintao, it will succeed tremendously. It will become the world's largest economy and the world's greatest power.

But when China turns it back on the world and starts picking a fight with everyone, especially the US, it will fail, as it did during the isolation era of Qing Dynasty and the Cultural Revolution.

The lesson of hundreds of years of Chinese modern history has never wavered for a moment.

Isolation and fighting is failure. But reform and opening up is success.

No matter what path China follows this iron law will never change. Currently under Xi Jinping China is returning to the path of Mao Zedong and the Qing Dynasty, isolation and fighting. Therefore, China will enter a new era of failure and stagnation.

If China changes course again, its fortunes will change.

Click to expand...

gadgetcool5 said:

Huawei has already failed and so has China.

China is being cut out of the global market and global supply chains controlled by the US.

Every country is at the mercy of the US. Not only China.

Tell me, was the Chinese economy booming during the autarky era of Mao Zedong in the 1970s? Was China rich then? Was China booming during the Qing Dynasty in the 1800s?

China should seek better relations with the US and the world.

When China seeks better relations, as under Deng Xiaoping, Jiang Zemin, and Hu Jintao, it will succeed tremendously. It will become the world's largest economy and the world's greatest power.

But when China turns it back on the world and starts picking a fight with everyone, especially the US, it will fail, as it did during the isolation era of Qing Dynasty and the Cultural Revolution.

The lesson of hundreds of years of Chinese modern history has never wavered for a moment.

Isolation and fighting is failure. But reform and opening up is success.

No matter what path China follows this iron law will never change. Currently under Xi Jinping China is returning to the path of Mao Zedong and the Qing Dynasty, isolation and fighting. Therefore, China will enter a new era of failure and stagnation.

If China changes course again, its fortunes will change.

Click to expand...

gadgetcool5 said:

Huawei has already failed and so has China.

China is being cut out of the global market and global supply chains controlled by the US.

Every country is at the mercy of the US. Not only China.

Tell me, was the Chinese economy booming during the autarky era of Mao Zedong in the 1970s? Was China rich then? Was China booming during the Qing Dynasty in the 1800s?

China should seek better relations with the US and the world.

When China seeks better relations, as under Deng Xiaoping, Jiang Zemin, and Hu Jintao, it will succeed tremendously. It will become the world's largest economy and the world's greatest power.

But when China turns it back on the world and starts picking a fight with everyone, especially the US, it will fail, as it did during the isolation era of Qing Dynasty and the Cultural Revolution.

The lesson of hundreds of years of Chinese modern history has never wavered for a moment.

Isolation and fighting is failure. But reform and opening up is success.

No matter what path China follows this iron law will never change. Currently under Xi Jinping China is returning to the path of Mao Zedong and the Qing Dynasty, isolation and fighting. Therefore, China will enter a new era of failure and stagnation.

If China changes course again, its fortunes will change.

Click to expand...

free_6ix9ine said:

Yes, research can be done in tandem


Lack of equipment is what is holding back SMIC. Specifically high end EUV lithographs. There should be 1000 lithography start ups. Not 1000 chip design companies startups. Just my two cents. If SMIC had the right equipment they can achieve 5nm or 7nm much easier. But of course this will never happen, because China's culture has always been to go the easy route rather than conquer the core technology such as lithography. All these chip design companies and fabs will always be content on importing equipment. Thats why SMIC getting sanctioned wouldnt be all bad.

Had these companies had the same mindset of conquering core technology 10yrs ago we wouldn't be in this situation. Instead they were all content importing chips and chip making equipment.

Why is there only SMEE developing lithography equipment?

Click to expand...

Hendrik_2000 said:

It has nothing to do with copying but everything to do with supporting your local company Eg both Samsung semiconductor and SMIC both started by emigre but that is the only similarity
Samsung family founder Lee took what was then a fledgling venture company under Samsung wing even against the opposition of Samsung board. He end up using his personal money to support the then venture company allowing it to grow because he has vision.

But SMIC languished for 10 years because they have to scrapped the bottom for living. Nobody give them support other than maybe local municipality

Click to expand...

ansy1968 said:

Hi localizer,

Where can China get the talent needed for Chip development? the criteria is experience and tech expertise and Taiwan is where the talents are, with added advantage of shared language and culture.

Click to expand...

gadgetcool5 said:

And they will be refused. And when they are refused, they will comply. If they really sided with Huawei, they would say to hell with US suppliers, we will develop our own production lines without US equipment. But they will not do this. Instead, they will replace their sales to Huawei with sales to Apple, Intel, Google, and other US companies. Plus Taiwanese companies. Watch what they do, not what they say. Just watch.

Click to expand...

gadgetcool5 said:

But when China turns it back on the world and starts picking a fight with everyone, especially the US, it will fail, as it did during the isolation era of Qing Dynasty and the Cultural Revolution.

The lesson of hundreds of years of Chinese modern history has never wavered for a moment.

Isolation and fighting is failure. But reform and opening up is success.

Click to expand...

gadgetcool5 said:

And they will be refused. And when they are refused, they will comply. If they really sided with Huawei, they would say to hell with US suppliers, we will develop our own production lines without US equipment. But they will not do this. Instead, they will replace their sales to Huawei with sales to Apple, Intel, Google, and other US companies. Plus Taiwanese companies. Watch what they do, not what they say. Just watch.

Click to expand...