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bladerunner said:

Yes as the author mentioned, starting later gives it the advantage of selecting the best for its purposes, technology parity or superiority should be linked with innovation and inventiveness.
This financial meltdown has slowed down the research into newer and better products in the WEst and Japan, is China in the position to take advantage of this and come out with a line of new indigenously designed products that the consumers might want. when this recession is over and trade starts freely again we may see Chinese consumer product manufactures having to adapt to a different set of parameters to entice the consumer. That is new better and innovaters, not just copies , even if they are better.The Chinese Oppo DVD upscaler is brilliant value for money is probably rated the best in the world at $200 US it does things better than big brands do at 10X the price. BUt unfortunately its a product that will probably fade away as Blue ray becomes more affordable.

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Man you are shooting from the hip without checking left and right Listen buddy China just recently revealed their own high DVD standard and beholden to no one in technology

China's proprietary red-ray NVD makes its debut
+ - 14:32, January 23, 2009
On January 22, proprietary red-ray HD NVD (Next-generation Versatile Disc) players and discs, independently developed and researched in China, entered the Wuhan market, signaling the historical leap from "Made in China" to "Created in China". The domestically-created NVD technical standard will help China's optical storage industry resist being dominated by foreign Blue-ray HD technology.

Although over 80 percent of all DVD products in the current global market are produced in China, all DVD core technologies and patents are held by foreign enterprises. Each DVD produced in China requires a patent fee of 18 USD, making profitability very low. At the end of 2004, science research institutions, including Wuhan Hi-Tech Holding Group, Wuhan National Laboratory for Optoelectronics and Shanghai Institute of Optics and Fine Mechanics, jointly launched the research project, making breakthroughs in red-ray HD NVD technology and achieving its industrialization.

"Jiuzhou High Definition", a brand of NVD player available on the market, can support red-ray HD NVDs of over 12G, as well as regular DVDs. A single NVD can play 135 minutes of continuous HD programming. Since China's red-ray HD NVDs can be produced on DVD production lines, China will be able to eliminate the high cost of foreign patent fees and participate in the restructuring of the global optical storage industry.

By People's Daily Online

Hendrik_2000 said:

Man you are shooting from the hip without checking left and right Listen buddy China just recently revealed their own high DVD standard and beholden to no one in technology

China's proprietary red-ray NVD makes its debut
+ - 14:32, January 23, 2009
On January 22, proprietary red-ray HD NVD (Next-generation Versatile Disc) players and discs, independently developed and researched in China, entered the Wuhan market, signaling the historical leap from "Made in China" to "Created in China". The domestically-created NVD technical standard will help China's optical storage industry resist being dominated by foreign Blue-ray HD technology.

Although over 80 percent of all DVD products in the current global market are produced in China, all DVD core technologies and patents are held by foreign enterprises. Each DVD produced in China requires a patent fee of 18 USD, making profitability very low. At the end of 2004, science research institutions, including Wuhan Hi-Tech Holding Group, Wuhan National Laboratory for Optoelectronics and Shanghai Institute of Optics and Fine Mechanics, jointly launched the research project, making breakthroughs in red-ray HD NVD technology and achieving its industrialization.

"Jiuzhou High Definition", a brand of NVD player available on the market, can support red-ray HD NVDs of over 12G, as well as regular DVDs. A single NVD can play 135 minutes of continuous HD programming. Since China's red-ray HD NVDs can be produced on DVD production lines, China will be able to eliminate the high cost of foreign patent fees and participate in the restructuring of the global optical storage industry.

By People's Daily Online

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Yes but is gaining wetern users acceptance is the important part and unless the major studios are prepared to use it it could go the same way as HD DVD. So what are the chances when its first attempt at making a indigenous technology DVD player was a disappointment in its failure to gain support even amongst domestic producers.
RED Ray isnt that old tech?. and when you say HD NVDs of over 12GS I assume you are referring to storage. BLU ray can store up to 25gigs 50gigs dual layer even possibly more.so on that basis its outclassed
Producing Indiginous brands can have its pitfalls eg Japan and its indegenous technology for its cell phones........Where are the japanese in the international cell phone market -... NOWHERE? a fate which MIGHT also belong to CHinas indigenous 3G cell phone effort according to cellphone market pundit/experts. (NOT me i dont have an opinion on that, though initial reports suggests some bugs with it,
However you miss my point , I said in my opinion the market is changing. THe low end will still be dominated by Chinese products but the high end Im not so sure.... You need to have something thats more than another well made model and where price may not be the crucial factor.
THe product has got to blow the socks off any prospective buyer,with a "oh mygosh i gotta buy one of those" like the Chinese made OPPO DVD player did for the video buff, anyway these things are only a incremental improvement of someone elses product, something completely new and never seen before. THATS WHAT CHINA NEEDS TO DO

Indeed if you want to sell the stuff outside, you have no choice but to license dvd and blue ray. Locally you can get away with your proprietary stuff, like all the video CD players inside China and Hong Kong.

THe product has got to blow the socks off any prospective buyer,with a "oh mygosh i gotta buy one of those" like the Chinese made OPPO DVD player did for the video buff, anyway these things are only a incremental improvement of an original product, not something completely new and never seen before. THATS WHAT CHINA NEEDS TO DO

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Very well put.

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Yes but is gaining wetern users acceptance is the important part and unless the major studios are prepared to use it it could go the same way as HD DVD. So what are the chances when its first attempt at making a indigenous technology DVD player

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No It will create such a large domestic user that some smart guy is going to find a way to translate blue ray format into NDV format. and Holywood will have no choice but to offer it in NVD format as well

Whether it will be accepted outside China is immaterial. Get the technology first built user base then climb the technology ladder

I heard the same argument with TDSCDMA But China just recently introduce the system country wide after delay and sceptism from the west.

Hendrik_2000 said:

No It will create such a large domestic user that some smart guy is going to find a way to translate blue ray format into NDV format. and Holywood will have no choice but to offer it in NVD format as well

I heard the same argument with TDSCDMA But China just recently introduce the system country wide after delay and sceptism from the west.

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Your Scenario is based on alot of MIGHTS, Sony own one of the biggest song and film catalogues so they MIGHT as easily say NO cause its opposition to its Blue ray, and with piracy etc,etc etc.

With its mobile service China has learnt from Japans mistake and does not have a mobile service solely based on TDSCDMA: therefore it does remain in the loop with technology developments outside CHINA
The subject of promoting home grown technology is ably discussed on another thread when discussing TDSCDMA, its worth a visit.

Hendrik_2000 said:

No It will create such a large domestic user that some smart guy is going to find a way to translate blue ray format into NDV format. and Holywood will have no choice but to offer it in NVD format as well

Whether it will be accepted outside China is immaterial. Get the technology first built user base then climb the technology ladder

I heard the same argument with TDSCDMA But China just recently introduce the system country wide after delay and sceptism from the west.

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What's going to happen as it did with Video CD was that Hollywood companies will offer legit copies of their movies and tv shows in NVD, and sell it cheap. But they won't offer those NVDs anywhere else outside of China, HK and the Asia proper. In effect, NVD would already act like a region coding.

As for TDSCDMA, China still has to pay Qualcomm a fee for every unit sold. I don't really see the point for it.

crobato said:

What's going to happen as it did with Video CD was that Hollywood companies will offer legit copies of their movies and tv shows in NVD, and sell it cheap. But they won't offer those NVDs anywhere else outside of China, HK and the Asia proper. In effect, NVD would already act like a region coding.

As for TDSCDMA, China still has to pay Qualcomm a fee for every unit sold. I don't really see the point for it.

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As is now the biggest component expense on Chinese consumer product is licence on key technology That is the reason for razor thin margin. With the consumer in the west cutting on spending No need to depend on western consumer. China can just produce cheap NVD and flooded Asia

I don't know where you get China has to pay qualcomm Just because the name TDCDMA doesn't mean the same as CDMA I might be wrong but the technology developed in collaboration with either Siemes or Ericson

QUALCOMM: We hold IPR to TD-SCDMA
March 9, 2006 — 7:01pm ET




It's not a surprise that QUALCOMM announced it will charge royalties for China's homegrown standard TD-SCDMA. QUALCOMM said it believes it has essential IPR that applies to TD-SCDMA and that it has about 60 license agreements outside of China that include TD-SCDMA. TD-SCDMA is backed by the Chinese government to promote domestic business and bypass the royalties demanded by QUALCOMM and other vendors. We reported in February that the TD-SCDMA Forum hadn't even discussed IPR issues with QUALCOMM and Ericsson, another big CDMA patent holder, even though QUALCOMM is a senior member of the forum.

We'll probably see some sort of IPR skirmish on this one. QUALCOMM will likely not make any concessions on the issue since it charges the same royalties for all CDMA technologies--1xEV-DO, WCDMA and TD-SCDMA. Early on it was willing to work with the Chinese on IPR rates to get CDMA networks into the country.

As a note, Qualcomm seems to dilly and dally forth.



Qualcomm denies its decision to collect patent fees on TD-SCDMA
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The report that Qualcomm has decided to collect patent fees on China's homegrown standard TD-SCDMA is not true, said sources close to Qualcomm.

A vice president of Qualcomm said at a 3G World Congress held in Hong Kong that Qualcomm has decided to collect patent fees on TD-SCDMA. The news aroused attention in the mobile telecommunication field.

The sources close to Qualcomm said, however, the company never made such claims. Qualcomm has been keeping a close eye on and giving support to the progress of TD-SCDMA and hopes to cooperate with Chinese companies for a win-win result in the industry, it said.

The concerned department of Qualcomm is contacting the reporter who wrote the news and will make a rectification announcement later.

Qualcomm has been giving great support to China's 3G market, said the sources. Recently, the company donated a batch of terminal testing machines worth over one million US dollars to the Academy of Telecommunications under the Ministry of Information Industry.

The academy, on behalf of the Chinese companies engaged in 3G development, is negotiating with Qualcomm on patent license agreement. The latest negotiation held in November ended with no fruits.

TD-SCDMA is considered the homegrown technology for the third generation mobile communication and Chinese companies hope to avoid expensive patent fees in the 2G period. However, in the technology standard based on CDMA, the patent shares of Chinese companies are still unclear.

Media report said that Qualcomm who has CDMA patent had claimed patent ownership of all technologies with suffix of CDMA.

Source: Xinhua