As I said in the post to SB, no proof is really nothing important because the maturity of the oracle scripts from Shang dynasty itself is an undisputable proof of the existence of an advanced earlier culture or state (Xia dynasty). To me, logic itself is a proof as physical as bones and stones.
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solarz
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While it's certain that there were some form or forms of precursor script for the Oracle Bones script, that is no proof of a unified state as described by the Xia dynasty.
However, one cannot discount oral traditions simply because no written accounts have been found. Many cultures did not have a written script until well into the middle ages, it does not mean their history is "fictional".
We know of Xia dynasty through written accounts that date back to the Zhou dynasty, around 1000 years after Xia. That is not such a long time that oral traditions would be warped beyond any semblance of reality. The argument that Zhou invented Xia to justify overthrowing Shang is weak at best, and smacks of trying to justify a preconception.
Personally, I believe the Chinese myths, up to the Yellow Emperor, have historical basis.
vesicles
Colonel
There is a view that most of the ancient myths are loosely based on historical events. The question is how loosely. One can only hope that, one day, some archeological evidence can be found...
solarz
Brigadier
Well, the ethnic minorities in southern China believe they are descended from Chi You, the great nemesis of the Yellow Emperor.
My belief is that the Yellow Emperor, the Yan Di, and Chi You were the 3 greatest tribes in ancient China. The tribe of the Yellow Emperor defeated Yan Di and Chi You to become the sole ruler of China. Yan Di's tribe was absorbed, while Chi You's tribe fled south to become the "nine Li" tribes.
SamuraiBlue
Captain
Your pet theory goes against actual archeological finds.
The Yangtze civilization is said to have thrived till around 1100BC.
Here is a link to a list of neolithic Chinese cultures through out mainland China.
They all developed independently without contact with others for a fairly long lime due to distance.
Hendrik_2000
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SamuraiBlue
Captain
I am pretty familiar with Japanese per-historic/historic culture so thanks but no thanks.
Basically there is no single source and Japanese legend and history basically provides that there was more then one group up until 6 th century when the emperor created a position titled Seitdaishogun in which Sakanoue no Tamuramaro was appointed to conquer the northern region.
Yamato was a tribe that consisted of two tribes one from the mainland from the north and one from the south. There are various artifact related to horse back riding and cavalry which the Koreans did not adopt at that time. Basically the Koreans will say anything to claim it originated from them.LoL
Basically Baekje, Gaya and Shila became vassal states of Yamato when Goguryeo started military advances to those states. This can be proven with various gifts that were sent to Japan which still owns with catalog intact.
solarz
Brigadier
What exactly in that wikipedia goes against my theory?
Where in that wikipedia page does it state that all those neolithic cultures developed independently without contact with each other? In fact, it is explicity mentioned on that some cultures are the successors of other cultures!
China is a huge country. Even today, many remote villages maintain unique cultures passed down through generations. How does that in any way refute the historicity of the Yellow Emperor?