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HP is following in Dell’s footsteps and shifting almost all manufacturing completely out of China. This leaves Lenovo as the last globally competitive business PC maker that will keep the majority of its manufacturing in China.

IMO this creates a big sanction risk for Lenovo. I believe the presence of HP and Dell manufacturing in China was a big reason for the US to avoid sanctions on the export of all x86 CPUs to China. If both Dell and HP are gone that makes potentially crippling sanctions on Lenovo a lot more likely.
At least for the time being, HP says they are staying and that Nikkei report is not true.

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8月8日消息,昨日有外媒报道称,惠普公司正寻求将其一半以上的个人电脑(PC)生产从中国转移出去。

据界面新闻报道,中国惠普方面对此传闻回应称:“这是针对近期关于中国惠普运营情况的不实报道,中国是惠普全球供应链中不可或缺的关键一环,我们坚定不移地致力于在中国的运营与发展。在中国,惠普的PC制造业务依然保持着举足轻重的地位,为全球市场提供高质量的产品和服务。为进一步提升供应链的韧性,我们正积极优化策略,增强灵活性,以更好地服务全球客户,满足他们的多样化需求。”

此前,日本《日经亚洲》8月7日报道称,惠普正考虑将一半以上的个人电脑生产转移出中国,并在新加坡设立“备用”的设计中心,理由是所谓“地缘政治风险”。

《日经亚洲》评论称,此举是惠普为实现其“供应链多元化”所采取的最积极举措。
 

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HP is following in Dell’s footsteps and shifting almost all manufacturing completely out of China. This leaves Lenovo as the last globally competitive business PC maker that will keep the majority of its manufacturing in China.

IMO this creates a big sanction risk for Lenovo. I believe the presence of HP and Dell manufacturing in China was a big reason for the US to avoid sanctions on the export of all x86 CPUs to China. If both Dell and HP are gone that makes potentially crippling sanctions on Lenovo a lot more likely.

Well, following in Dell's footsteps is maybe not so great

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The reason why HP's PC's are so bad are because they are designed to be the lowest cost from design/conception right to market.

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During Carly Fiorina's tenure, they outsourced everything including the design to outside companies (ODM) to save money on product engineers and boost profitability. Basically cheapest cost product designed by the cheapest cost people.

Don't forget that HP is completely separate from HPE (HP Enterprise), so the PC business doesn't even have backing from a enterprise division with servers, so basically considered a completely throwaway business.

With Intel's financial results, you think they can survive a complete sanction of x86 CPUs in China? Of course they can kill Lenovo without killing Intel like that, Dell would be happy, but really chasing the PC business is not really valuable.

I would not expect the US Government to think strategically, but really even if they don't care about Intel, a complete ban on x86 would just accelerate what the Chinese government is already doing, that is moving towards non-US controlled architectures. All those engineers working on x86 related hardware would just move directly to RISC-V/ARM-derivatives
 

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Well, following in Dell's footsteps is maybe not so great

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The reason why HP's PC's are so bad are because they are designed to be the lowest cost from design/conception right to market.

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During Carly Fiorina's tenure, they outsourced everything including the design to outside companies (ODM) to save money on product engineers and boost profitability. Basically cheapest cost product designed by the cheapest cost people.

Don't forget that HP is completely separate from HPE (HP Enterprise), so the PC business doesn't even have backing from a enterprise division with servers, so basically considered a completely throwaway business.

With Intel's financial results, you think they can survive a complete sanction of x86 CPUs in China? Of course they can kill Lenovo without killing Intel like that, Dell would be happy, but really chasing the PC business is not really valuable.

I would not expect the US Government to think strategically, but really even if they don't care about Intel, a complete ban on x86 would just accelerate what the Chinese government is already doing, that is moving towards non-US controlled architectures. All those engineers working on x86 related hardware would just move directly to RISC-V/ARM-derivatives
They'll sanction or ban no matter how unlawful, irrational, or self-destructive. They are already fully in rabid dog mode. Truly no better than beasts.
 

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US logic is & has always been that Chinese can’t innovate, so by that assumption if they cut off the stream of US / Western innovation then China won’t ever be able to catch up. The people making the decisions definitely believe this and that the US will triumph the way it did during the Cold War.
 

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At least for the time being, HP says they are staying and that Nikkei report is not true.

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I doubt Nikkei is wrong because the job listings for HP indicate they’re actively recruiting for the positions Nikkei says they need to relocate.

The cynic in me says HP is hoping to get as many sales from China as possible before Chinese consumers realize they’re leaving lol
 

SanWenYu

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I doubt Nikkei is wrong because the job listings for HP indicate they’re actively recruiting for the positions Nikkei says they need to relocate.

The cynic in me says HP is hoping to get as many sales from China as possible before Chinese consumers realize they’re leaving lol
No idea which of the two lied. Both might. But the Nikkei could have used the fact that HP is hiring out of China to support its fabricated story of relocation.
 

supersnoop

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One thing to realize is that HP is not huge in China. They are #2 in market share, but it is only 10%. Lenovo (#1) is 38%.
10% of the biggest market is still significant of course, but that 30% remaining production in China is probably enough to supply the domestic market.

The other thing to note, the American supply chain realignment is a bit of a mirage. American companies are not looking at alternative suppliers, just to decentralize production to mitigate certain risks and satisfy political demands. Therefore, we still see a lot of Chinese companies like Luxshare and BYD electronics involved. Furthermore, to supply these factories in SEA, we see China working together with those countries in upgrading infrastructure like rail links, as those factories require a lot of parts from China.
 

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Zelgen's experimental drug for small-cell lung cancer was granted orphan drug status in the US.
Orphan drug designation is given to treatments for rare medical conditions that would not be profitable to produce without government support. The backing of the US Food and Drug Administration will help pay for the new drug’s ensuing research and development, registration, and commercialization. There will be a seven-year period of market exclusivity, tax credits on clinical trial fees, an exemption from the new-drug application charge as well as other benefits.
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Chinese researchers built a solar powered 4 gram UAV:

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An interview with Shuang Wu, Director of Horticulture Science at Fujian Agriculture and Forestry University

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How a space physicist is shaking up China’s research funding

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