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Brigadier
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China needs to grow and develop it's own GMO crops and livestock. This is an extremely disruptive tech that has tons of potential but China doesn't allow for the growing of GMO crops on it's own soil and thus most chinese companies aren't investing heavily in this area. This is despite the massive threat of having it's food supply disrupted or falling behind on core GMO technology. Or the fact that they're already buying tons of GMO crops from overseas anyway.

I know that China has had great success with cross breeding plant species, like with their salt tolerant rice, high yield hybrid rice and perennial rice, but those methods were outdated 20 years ago, it takes decades, and they're still using other outdated methods like growing crops from seeds that were in outer space, in hopes that some random mutation will give them a good strain. CRISPR allows you to actually target whatever gene you want and it takes a fraction of the time and resources.

Existing GMO crops already give a 5-10% increase in yield and the world is barely scratching the surface.

There's the current GMO crops that's changing just a handful of genes. But the real breakthrough is when you're making radically different changes to hundreds of genes. Just look at C4 rice project, it could give the world a rice strain that has 50% more yield, needs 50% less water and much less fertilizer. And you can use that knowledge to help convert even more C3 plants to C4. Or even other more lucidious ideas. Like a rice strain that has just as much protein as meat. Converting staple crops to high yield perennial strains. Livestock that's immune to most of the diseases currently in circulation and grows fast and fat without the need for anti-biotics.

This is something that China should have done 20 years ago, let alone in 2024-2025.
biotech is expensive, difficult to commercialize, easy to stop commercialization with regulatory hurdles, and to boot
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sticking to the fundamentals and extending the application of proven results in biotech is a better use of limited scientific resources. Meanwhile chemistry, materials science, electronics, etc. are much more controllable and give higher return on investment.
 

Paradigm

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China needs to grow and develop it's own GMO crops and livestock. This is an extremely disruptive tech that has tons of potential but China doesn't allow for the growing of GMO crops on it's own soil and thus most chinese companies aren't investing heavily in this area. This is despite the massive threat of having it's food supply disrupted or falling behind on core GMO technology. Or the fact that they're already buying tons of GMO crops from overseas anyway.

I know that China has had great success with cross breeding plant species, like with their salt tolerant rice, high yield hybrid rice and perennial rice, but those methods were outdated 20 years ago, it takes decades, and they're still using other outdated methods like growing crops from seeds that were in outer space, in hopes that some random mutation will give them a good strain. CRISPR allows you to actually target whatever gene you want and it takes a fraction of the time and resources.

Existing GMO crops already give a 5-10% increase in yield and the world is barely scratching the surface.

There's the current GMO crops that's changing just a handful of genes. But the real breakthrough is when you're making radically different changes to hundreds of genes. Just look at C4 rice project, it could give the world a rice strain that has 50% more yield, needs 50% less water and much less fertilizer. And you can use that knowledge to help convert even more C3 plants to C4. Or even other more lucidious ideas. Like a rice strain that has just as much protein as meat. Converting staple crops to high yield perennial strains. Livestock that's immune to most of the diseases currently in circulation and grows fast and fat without the need for anti-biotics.

This is something that China should have done 20 years ago, let alone in 2024-2025.
China will not do American style GMO because China is a socialist country, not a capitalist one. China is about eradicating poverty and ensuring food security. Not the other way round. Look at what GMO has done to India.
 

BlackWindMnt

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China needs to grow and develop it's own GMO crops and livestock. This is an extremely disruptive tech that has tons of potential but China doesn't allow for the growing of GMO crops on it's own soil and thus most chinese companies aren't investing heavily in this area. This is despite the massive threat of having it's food supply disrupted or falling behind on core GMO technology. Or the fact that they're already buying tons of GMO crops from overseas anyway.

I know that China has had great success with cross breeding plant species, like with their salt tolerant rice, high yield hybrid rice and perennial rice, but those methods were outdated 20 years ago, it takes decades, and they're still using other outdated methods like growing crops from seeds that were in outer space, in hopes that some random mutation will give them a good strain. CRISPR allows you to actually target whatever gene you want and it takes a fraction of the time and resources.

Existing GMO crops already give a 5-10% increase in yield and the world is barely scratching the surface.

There's the current GMO crops that's changing just a handful of genes. But the real breakthrough is when you're making radically different changes to hundreds of genes. Just look at C4 rice project, it could give the world a rice strain that has 50% more yield, needs 50% less water and much less fertilizer. And you can use that knowledge to help convert even more C3 plants to C4. Or even other more lucidious ideas. Like a rice strain that has just as much protein as meat. Converting staple crops to high yield perennial strains. Livestock that's immune to most of the diseases currently in circulation and grows fast and fat without the need for anti-biotics.

This is something that China should have done 20 years ago, let alone in 2024-2025.
GMO are a big big pitfall especially the western capitalist variant i'm mostly talking about black mailing capacity it offers.
Do you really want to make GMO that have tinkered in such a way that those grains won't grow without a special chemical fertilizer or other sort schemes like that. Im 100% against that sort of GMO development. Because those GMO variants will take over your whole Agri sector because those GMO seeds are more productive. What if the special growth chemical knowledge get lost by time you will end up with having an agri sector that can't grow any food.

If China can make GMO seeds which farmers can easily share and can grow in standard or even more harsher environments just like that rice variant China is making the one that can grow in sea water drenched soil, im all for that sort of GMO development.
 

Overbom

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China needs to grow and develop it's own GMO crops and livestock. This is an extremely disruptive tech that has tons of potential but China doesn't allow for the growing of GMO crops on it's own soil and thus most chinese companies aren't investing heavily in this area. This is despite the massive threat of having it's food supply disrupted or falling behind on core GMO technology. Or the fact that they're already buying tons of GMO crops from overseas anyway.

I know that China has had great success with cross breeding plant species, like with their salt tolerant rice, high yield hybrid rice and perennial rice, but those methods were outdated 20 years ago, it takes decades, and they're still using other outdated methods like growing crops from seeds that were in outer space, in hopes that some random mutation will give them a good strain. CRISPR allows you to actually target whatever gene you want and it takes a fraction of the time and resources.

Existing GMO crops already give a 5-10% increase in yield and the world is barely scratching the surface.

There's the current GMO crops that's changing just a handful of genes. But the real breakthrough is when you're making radically different changes to hundreds of genes. Just look at C4 rice project, it could give the world a rice strain that has 50% more yield, needs 50% less water and much less fertilizer. And you can use that knowledge to help convert even more C3 plants to C4. Or even other more lucidious ideas. Like a rice strain that has just as much protein as meat. Converting staple crops to high yield perennial strains. Livestock that's immune to most of the diseases currently in circulation and grows fast and fat without the need for anti-biotics.

This is something that China should have done 20 years ago, let alone in 2024-2025.
China is currently reforming its GMO system
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measuredingabens

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China needs to grow and develop it's own GMO crops and livestock. This is an extremely disruptive tech that has tons of potential but China doesn't allow for the growing of GMO crops on it's own soil and thus most chinese companies aren't investing heavily in this area. This is despite the massive threat of having it's food supply disrupted or falling behind on core GMO technology. Or the fact that they're already buying tons of GMO crops from overseas anyway.

I know that China has had great success with cross breeding plant species, like with their salt tolerant rice, high yield hybrid rice and perennial rice, but those methods were outdated 20 years ago, it takes decades, and they're still using other outdated methods like growing crops from seeds that were in outer space, in hopes that some random mutation will give them a good strain. CRISPR allows you to actually target whatever gene you want and it takes a fraction of the time and resources.

Existing GMO crops already give a 5-10% increase in yield and the world is barely scratching the surface.

There's the current GMO crops that's changing just a handful of genes. But the real breakthrough is when you're making radically different changes to hundreds of genes. Just look at C4 rice project, it could give the world a rice strain that has 50% more yield, needs 50% less water and much less fertilizer. And you can use that knowledge to help convert even more C3 plants to C4. Or even other more lucidious ideas. Like a rice strain that has just as much protein as meat. Converting staple crops to high yield perennial strains. Livestock that's immune to most of the diseases currently in circulation and grows fast and fat without the need for anti-biotics.

This is something that China should have done 20 years ago, let alone in 2024-2025.
Like Overbom has said and the article he provided, China *is* reforming its GMO system. Outside of that, biotech is one of those fields that have infamously long lead times even at its fastest. As someone with a background in the field, it takes a few years before research bears fruit (regulatory and commercialisation hurdles aside), due to the fact you cannot skip the time needed for things like the growing the organisms in question or monitoring patients over a prolonged period of time.
 

zbb

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China will not do American style GMO because China is a socialist country, not a capitalist one. China is about eradicating poverty and ensuring food security. Not the other way round. Look at what GMO has done to India.
What has GMO done to India? IIRC, GMO is not allowed in India for food crops and is only used in cotton farming.
 

henrik

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China needs to grow and develop it's own GMO crops and livestock. This is an extremely disruptive tech that has tons of potential but China doesn't allow for the growing of GMO crops on it's own soil and thus most chinese companies aren't investing heavily in this area. This is despite the massive threat of having it's food supply disrupted or falling behind on core GMO technology. Or the fact that they're already buying tons of GMO crops from overseas anyway.

I know that China has had great success with cross breeding plant species, like with their salt tolerant rice, high yield hybrid rice and perennial rice, but those methods were outdated 20 years ago, it takes decades, and they're still using other outdated methods like growing crops from seeds that were in outer space, in hopes that some random mutation will give them a good strain. CRISPR allows you to actually target whatever gene you want and it takes a fraction of the time and resources.

Existing GMO crops already give a 5-10% increase in yield and the world is barely scratching the surface.

There's the current GMO crops that's changing just a handful of genes. But the real breakthrough is when you're making radically different changes to hundreds of genes. Just look at C4 rice project, it could give the world a rice strain that has 50% more yield, needs 50% less water and much less fertilizer. And you can use that knowledge to help convert even more C3 plants to C4. Or even other more lucidious ideas. Like a rice strain that has just as much protein as meat. Converting staple crops to high yield perennial strains. Livestock that's immune to most of the diseases currently in circulation and grows fast and fat without the need for anti-biotics.

This is something that China should have done 20 years ago, let alone in 2024-2025.

This is similar to China holding back its local mRNA covid vaccines development. Western companies took advantage of covid and developed mRNA vaccines.
 

Michaelsinodef

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This is similar to China holding back its local mRNA covid vaccines development. Western companies took advantage of covid and developed mRNA vaccines.
And those Western MRNA vaccines aren't some kind of godly vaccine lol.

In fact, there's still lots of unknowns and potential dangers pitfalls etc in regards to them (saw an article about how the MRNA vaccine might cause easier time in getting covid multiple times).

Not to mention a number of countries have done pretty fine and well on traditional vaccines (such as ASEAN countries).
 
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