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manqiangrexue

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In my view frankly, both the U.S. and Chinese governments are working towards the same goal: To make sure Chinese tech isn't too powerful, and that China lags behind further.
By the "Chinese government" did you mean the one in Taiwan? Cus if they want to slow down Chinese tech, they are doing an absolutely shit job at it and the CCP doesn't do shit jobs; they succeed at everything. It is a Western interpretation that curbing your industries to ensure they they stay true to the nation and the people, rather than allowing them to become predators of the system, is hindering them, hence the West being eyeball deep in legal bribing AKA lobbying. Then, out of desperation and self-assurance, they would interpret that as the Chinese government is with them on their side, so with that mighty ally, Chinese tech couldn't possibly succeed, right? See, now they (you) can breathe a little better for a little bit by imagining the problem away!
 

xypher

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Well frankly your view ain't worth sh*t. The 280$ billion that you have contently promoted is over 5 years, not per year. And that includes baseline yearly funding so the extra funding is even less. The US spends 800$ billion on their military. But china is still catching up with less than a their of finding.

The agency MIIT is not "falling". For all your views on china failing, they have made 7nm chips and you couldn't cope.

Did you get bored that Russia is not losing the war yet? What happened to all those game changers for the Ukrainians?
Lmaoo, after you said that, I actually googled the bill itself. Indeed, turns out that the actual funding increase (over the baseline) would be ~$83 billion, where e.g. half of DoE's increased funding ($30 billion) will go towards "infrastructure, equipment, and instrumentation". Plus the $83 billion number includes funding to non-research entities like DoC ($11 billion), half of NIST's increased funding will go towards "manufacturing and manufacturing extension partnership", $16 billion for NSF will go towards "core activities" (which does not only include research), etc. Turns out this $280 billion "research" bill is actually more like $50 billion or so, depending on how you count the "NSF core activities". Out of the $52 billion semiconductor bill, only $11 billion will go towards R&D + "workforce" (i.e. actual research spending will be even less), the rest is basically subsidies for building fabs.

TL;DR: the allocation for research is ~$60 billion over the span of 5 years or $12 billion a year. On the other hand, Chinese bill was $1.4 trillion over 5 years. Damn, Americans must be really broke if they fought so much to pass this funny little bill.
 

latenlazy

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The explanation is that this agency the MIIT is responsible for China's tech self-sufficiency drive. This is the agency that initiated Made in China 2025, which is heavily opposed by the U.S. So the fall of this agency right before the NPC is a big deal. Of course this pertains to China's scientific and technological development, and has major symbolic significance right after the U.S. passed the $280 billion bill to shore up its own science capabilities against China in particular.

In my view frankly, both the U.S. and Chinese governments are working towards the same goal: To make sure Chinese tech isn't too powerful, and that China lags behind further. There are other sources besides SCMP that have also posted this news, for instance, the Financial Times has an article. But frankly the Financial Times article does not have as much detail.
If the head of a key government department is potentially corrupt investigating that person is not taking down the department, but trying to improve the performance and quality of the department. Being free from accountability is not the same thing as being allowed to perform at your best.
 

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2022-07-29 08:42:40China Daily Editor : Li Yan

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A shopper tries out Huawei's HarmonyOS products at a store in Beijing. (Photo by Mao Xuqian/For China Daily)

Huawei Technologies Co's self-developed operating system HarmonyOS is expected to see wider application in China, as it made progress in optimizing the system's performance, but more efforts are needed to build a robust software ecosystem for it, experts said on Thursday.


Their comments came after Huawei launched an updated version of its proprietary operating system HarmonyOS 3 on Wednesday night, as part of its broader push to counter the US government restrictions.


Xiang Ligang, director-general of the Information Consumption Alliance, a telecom industry association, said HarmonyOS is showing a positive development trend, and large-scale upgrades have also been carried out for older Huawei models, which reflects the company's innovation capacity.


"For the survival of an OS, it is crucial to see how consumers are responding to it. Though doubts exist, the general feedback to HarmonyOS is so far, so good," Xiang said.


Yu Chengdong, CEO of Huawei's device business group and CEO of the company's intelligent automotive solution business unit, said more than 300 million of the company's devices have now been equipped with HarmonyOS 2, which makes it the world's fastest-growing operating system.


Meanwhile, more than 170 million third-party products that are equipped with HarmonyOS Connect for the internet of things have also been shipped out of factories to retailers across China, Yu said.


The latest HarmonyOS version features an improved experience in aspects including smooth performance, privacy and security, Huawei said.


HarmonyOS was first unveiled in August 2019, after the US government restricted Huawei's access to Google's Android operating system. But Huawei has underlined that HarmonyOS is not a replacement to Android. Instead, it is a next-generation OS designed for the IoT era and seeks to deliver a smooth experience across different devices.


HarmonyOS has already been used in a wide range of devices including smartphones, PCs, tablets, smartwatches, and smart home appliances such as ovens. Huawei also developed an in-car version of the HarmonyOS for electric vehicles it co-produced with Chinese carmaker Seres.


Xiang Jiangxu, vice-president and chief technology officer of home appliance maker Midea's IoT business, said, HarmonyOS covered "almost all categories of our products"-some 200 varieties-last year.


Yin Dong, a Beijing-based software developer who has been using tools from HarmonyOS to develop mobile applications for months, said he is optimistic about the operating system's future, but more efforts are needed to build a more vibrant software ecosystem centering around HarmonyOS.
 

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China emerging as global AI pioneer​


By Ma Si | China Daily | Updated: 2022-07-29 07:51

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An unmanned sweeper works at Hefei South Railway Station in Hefei, East China's Anhui province, in April. [Photo/Xinhua]

Technological innovation, investment, policy support ... all for advancing sector

China is emerging as a pioneer in artificial intelligence as it makes strides in filing AI patents and experimenting with the latest AI technologies to power industrial applications, industry experts said.

Their comments came after a Stanford University report shows that China filed more than half of all the world's AI patent applications last year, and Chinese researchers produced about one-third of AI journal papers and AI citations in 2021.

Wu Hequan, an academician at the Chinese Academy of Engineering, said China has been working to build a solid foundation to support its AI economy and is making significant contributions to AI globally.

The Stanford University report said that Chinese researchers have been the most prolific for several years, publishing 27.5 percent of all AI journal articles worldwide. In comparison, US researchers accounted for 12 percent. Chinese journal articles also led those of every other nation in citations, an indication of their scientific importance.

In economic investment, China accounted for nearly one-fifth of global private investment funding in 2021, attracting $17 billion for AI startups, a sign of a robust AI ecosystem.

Most of the AI applications that have been widely adopted in China have been in consumer-facing industries, propelled by the world's largest internet consumer base and the ability to engage with consumers in new ways to increase customer loyalty, revenue, and market valuations, Shen Kai, a partner at market consultancy McKinsey, and his colleagues said in a report.

"Our research indicates that in the coming decade, there will be tremendous opportunities for AI growth in new sectors in China, including automotive, transportation and logistics, manufacturing, enterprise software, and healthcare and life sciences sectors," Shen added.

McKinsey forecasts that the next wave of AI in these sectors can create upward of $600 billion in economic value annually for China. To put the number in context, the 2021 gross domestic product of Shanghai was roughly $680 billion.

China now ranks second among the top five countries for scientific research in medical AI, just behind the United States, said a report from Elsevier, a Netherlands-based academic publishing company that owns recognized medical journals such as The Lancet and Cell.

The number of medical AI clinical trials initiated by China ranks first in the world. China has already entered the ranks of the world's leading medical AI research countries, Elsevier said.

Li Lin, managing director of Elsevier China, said that as early as 2017, the State Council, China's Cabinet, put forward a development plan for new generation AI that called for efforts to build a fast and accurate intelligent medical system by promoting new AI-enabled medical treatment methods and models.

The forward-looking policy motivated Chinese companies and medical institutions to actively explore how to integrate AI into healthcare.

For instance, AI-assisted medical imaging systems were used in many Chinese hospitals amid the COVID-19 pandemic to help quickly classify pneumonia caused by the virus according to its severity, precisely calculate burden on the lungs and provide 4D dynamic pathology comparisons. 4D adds the aspect of motion to 3D imaging.

Zhang Dapeng, presidential chair professor at the School of Data Science of the Chinese University of Hong Kong in Shenzhen, Guangdong province, said: "In the future, China will continue to lead the world in AI areas such as intelligent medical care and biometric identification. Chinese scientists can make a greater contribution."

With greater research and development spending, Chinese researchers are also deepening international cooperation in AI.The Stanford University report found that in China, 500 institutions published 2,000 cross-border AI projects last year, and China-US collaboration on AI research has quintupled since 2010 and totaled 9,660 papers in 2021.

"What's clear is that the amount of collaboration between the US and China has gone up dramatically, and it has gone up much more than any collaboration between two other countries," said Raymond Perrault, an AI researcher and a distinguished computer scientist at SRI International, which was formerly known as the Stanford Research Institute.
 

InfamousMeow

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The explanation is that this agency the MIIT is responsible for China's tech self-sufficiency drive. This is the agency that initiated Made in China 2025, which is heavily opposed by the U.S. So the fall of this agency right before the NPC is a big deal. Of course this pertains to China's scientific and technological development, and has major symbolic significance right after the U.S. passed the $280 billion bill to shore up its own science capabilities against China in particular.

In my view frankly, both the U.S. and Chinese governments are working towards the same goal: To make sure Chinese tech isn't too powerful, and that China lags behind further. There are other sources besides SCMP that have also posted this news, for instance, the Financial Times has an article. But frankly the Financial Times article does not have as much detail.

How did you come up with this interpretation??? Just because China is investigating the head of an agency, China's is actually trying to destroy("slowing down") its tech sector? Have it ever occured to you that maybe the person actually has his issues?

Dude, by your interpretations, Chinese government is trying to destroy everything in China. Considering the amount of corrupt officials taken down since Xi got in place, there might not be an agency that Chinese government is not trying to wreck("slow down").

Most notably, the Chinese military was famously "slowed down" by the "Chinese governments" because of the anticorruption push back in 2014, right?:
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Let's wait and see before we make some overly-grand, and frankly seemingly stupid, generalization of a situation.
 

PopularScience

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The explanation is that this agency the MIIT is responsible for China's tech self-sufficiency drive. This is the agency that initiated Made in China 2025, which is heavily opposed by the U.S. So the fall of this agency right before the NPC is a big deal. Of course this pertains to China's scientific and technological development, and has major symbolic significance right after the U.S. passed the $280 billion bill to shore up its own science capabilities against China in particular.

In my view frankly, both the U.S. and Chinese governments are working towards the same goal: To make sure Chinese tech isn't too powerful, and that China lags behind further. There are other sources besides SCMP that have also posted this news, for instance, the Financial Times has an article. But frankly the Financial Times article does not have as much detail.
Did Minister of Railway Liu Zhijun go to jail slow down China's HSR progress?
 

Overbom

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The explanation is that this agency the MIIT is responsible for China's tech self-sufficiency drive. This is the agency that initiated Made in China 2025, which is heavily opposed by the U.S. So the fall of this agency right before the NPC is a big deal. Of course this pertains to China's scientific and technological development, and has major symbolic significance right after the U.S. passed the $280 billion bill to shore up its own science capabilities against China in particular.

In my view frankly, both the U.S. and Chinese governments are working towards the same goal: To make sure Chinese tech isn't too powerful, and that China lags behind further. There are other sources besides SCMP that have also posted this news, for instance, the Financial Times has an article. But frankly the Financial Times article does not have as much detail.
One minister investigated, another one will take his place.

I don't see how this "agency will fall" because one guy will get removed. Unless you also think that every time a General Secretary is changed it causes "China to fall", your claims don't make sense.

In such big organisations, 99.9999% of the work is done by the people at the lower level, with the person in charge making very high level decisions. If he is removed, I am sure there are a 100+ similarly qualified people waiting at the line to take his position
 

xypher

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If the head of a key government department is potentially corrupt investigating that person is not taking down the department, but trying to improve the performance and quality of the department. Being free from accountability is not the same thing as being allowed to perform at your best.
@gadgetcool5 is just used to
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in his homeland and thinks it is the norm worldwide, so corruption investigations provide some form of culture shock.
 
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