New Type98/99 MBT thread

[zraver]

What you said is only true to an extent. Armor is heavy, be it ceramics, heavy metals, or a fibouros steel weave with resin filled inserts. There are a number of armors out there and they all provide excellant protection, and all are heavy. The 60 ton plus behemoths have the best estimated levels of protection for a reason.

 

[Totoro]

While i do believe type 99 is overall somewhat inferior to current western tanks, i would just like to point out that, all other things being equal (of course, they're most probably not) for comparing the armor protection of tanks - not just weight but also size/volume must be taken into account. Shorter/lower/narrower 50 ton tank may indeed have similar armor protection as the longer/higher/wider 65 ton tank.

 

[Scratch]

Hmm, speaking of that: If such a tank with much smaller internal turret volume is hit and actually penetrated, doesn't that mean that results are more devasting than in a bigger turret? Because there the expanding gases have more room and ammo can be stored in better protected "boxes".

 

[zraver]

Hmm, speaking of that: If such a tank with much smaller internal turret volume is hit and actually penetrated, doesn't that mean that results are more devasting than in a bigger turret? Because there the expanding gases have more room and ammo can be stored in better protected "boxes".

I don't now what role volume plays. But the ZTZ-99 uses unrotected carosel storage to feed the autoloader. Any penetrsating shot is likely to touch of the combustable cartridges and result in a flying frying pan effect.

Bustle rack storae with blow out panels is far saferan every knew tank desing in the world excpet the Chinese designed (Al Khalid, Al Khalid II, Type 96, Type 98, and ZTZ-99) now uses this system.

 

[clarkliu]

ther eis no way in hell a 125mmL/48 gun firing a 6.5kg-7kg 560mm penetrator at 1760m/s will out perform the 120mm L/44 firing a 10kg 830mm long penetrator at 1555-1700 m/s.

Modern armor is also heavy the ZTZ-99 is lighter ergo less armor, plus the ZTZ still uses unprotected hull storage beucase it uses an autoloader from the 2A46 family of guns.

The crews will also be over worked before combat form the combination of cramped spaces, three man cres, and outdated suspsecion design and shorter hull that leads to a rougher ride.

It also uses inferior lasers, thermal vision, radios, battle management systems and is not linke dinto a brigade level satalite linked IVIS/IFF system.

no, ZTZ99 used a lot of Silicon nitride for armor...not steel

 

[zraver]

no, ZTZ99 used a lot of Silicon nitride for armor...not steel

sigh, ceramic armors are heavy, steel or titanium encased silicon-nitride ceramic tiles is the same type of armor package used by the Challanger and Abrams (the Abrams also has added DU rods)

 

[jackbh]

PRC (sing weight of the Russian BM42 wich is simialr in size and design) 3.25*1760*2= 11,440j

The Chinese gun is not the Russian gun eventhough they share some similarities. The Chinese had a 120mm gun similar to western gun but the 125mm gun outperforms the 120mm gun, so they decide to go with it. I don't see how the turret can be too small when they are proposing to put a 140mm gun on it.

 

[zraver]

The Chinese gun is not the Russian gun eventhough they share some similarities. The Chinese had a 120mm gun similar to western gun but the 125mm gun outperforms the 120mm gun, so they decide to go with it. I don't see how the turret can be too small when they are proposing to put a 140mm gun on it.

The gun uses the same autloader as found on the 2A46 imposing the same limits on round size. Turret dimensions and autloader combine to impose restrictions on not only round size, but recoil travel.

 

[RedMercury]

fishhead, if what you mentioned about the new autoloader being introduced about 2 years after the original one was true, this would be useful for explaining the revised turret design. The original ZTZ-99 turret had a notable hump which disappeared later. I believe the bottom one is the original. Do you have a source?

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[fishhead]

fishhead, if what you mentioned about the new autoloader being introduced about 2 years after the original one was true, this would be useful for explaining the revised turret design. The original ZTZ-99 turret had a notable hump which disappeared later. I believe the bottom one is the original. Do you have a source?

Yeah, it's mentioned in an article of a Chinese magazine about 3 years ago. Also it says the old T-72 based autoloader has a malfunction rate about 5/1000, but it may be just on the paper. So they came out with a new one.

I think 99 tank didn't enter the large scale production until recent 2-3 years, to solve all the issues. As somebody mentioned 99 is not for sale, but 96 tank is for sale. 99 tank has some unique Chinese technology.