RedMercury
Junior Member
500k is probably high. It may include the count of "recon" infantry, since in the PLA, recon forces are quite a bit better than the ordinary infantry. Look at the orbat page on SD.
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Well I cant currently find SF page on SinoDefence but IIRC PLA should have one regiment for each military region. Thats some 7000 SF(DaDui?) troops.
If we count in possible marine, navy and air force SF units number of dedicated SF personnel shouldn't surpass 20 000 men...
Also IIRC there is some additional ~ 30 000 men in various reconnaissance units but they shouldn't be considered as SF personnel...
green beret
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I agree it is my bad guys.
forgive me?
The paintball example is a bad one, i realized it after i posted it.
guess the point i was trying to make is, the U.S. Army would never include rushing head on direct into enemy fire as part of its infantry tactic.
The first reason, the U.S. Army unlike the PLA does not have the man power to conduct such tactic. I believe the Chinese Army at any time can call up to 30 million reserves and throw them into battle. This is an unthinkable number for the U.S. Army. Thus the aim of the U.S. Army in combat is to minimize casualties, and the human rush (a better term i think) is the direct opposite of this.
The second reason, the U.S. Army is an all volunteer army. Though I believe in time of dare need, the congress can draft U.S. citizens into combat. But I doubt any one would dare to do that, because that would cause up risings in the U.S. So unless the U.S. is being invaded, we wont see a draft in the U.S. any time soon.
So how will the U.S. Army using the human rush affect the army? Well I think we all know Saving Private Ryan, what most people dont know is that after the film as released West Point Military Academy's number of applicant dropped dramatically. That was when there the U.S. were not even fighting a war. Now imagine the U.S. Army has to fight fight that kind of war again. What will happen is that people will avoid the Army like the plague and no one will join the Army anymore.
Anyway, sorry again for my behavior before.
Ok I will stop highjacking the thread now.
moby if you want continue this, we can pm each other and continue from here.
forgive me?
The paintball example is a bad one, i realized it after i posted it.
guess the point i was trying to make is, the U.S. Army would never include rushing head on direct into enemy fire as part of its infantry tactic.
The first reason, the U.S. Army unlike the PLA does not have the man power to conduct such tactic. I believe the Chinese Army at any time can call up to 30 million reserves and throw them into battle. This is an unthinkable number for the U.S. Army. Thus the aim of the U.S. Army in combat is to minimize casualties, and the human rush (a better term i think) is the direct opposite of this.
The second reason, the U.S. Army is an all volunteer army. Though I believe in time of dare need, the congress can draft U.S. citizens into combat. But I doubt any one would dare to do that, because that would cause up risings in the U.S. So unless the U.S. is being invaded, we wont see a draft in the U.S. any time soon.
So how will the U.S. Army using the human rush affect the army? Well I think we all know Saving Private Ryan, what most people dont know is that after the film as released West Point Military Academy's number of applicant dropped dramatically. That was when there the U.S. were not even fighting a war. Now imagine the U.S. Army has to fight fight that kind of war again. What will happen is that people will avoid the Army like the plague and no one will join the Army anymore.
Anyway, sorry again for my behavior before.
Ok I will stop highjacking the thread now.
moby if you want continue this, we can pm each other and continue from here.
eecsmaster
Junior Member
"Human Wave" is a term coined by NATO (really just the pussy whipped US army division) during the early days of the Korean War. It doesn't exist. Also, Green obviously has never seen true squad level PLA training pictures. Most pictures posted online ARE propaganda pictures.
Chengdu J-10
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The Special forces Type 79/85 should have a foldable stock simular to the G36 assault rifle one. It is more stable to hold the gun and absorbs more vibration from firing giving better accuracy for automatic firing. And why doesn't the PLA design a rifle with a magazine holder simular to the M4 or M16, pushing the magazine in instead of rocking it like an AK-47? The M4 or M16 magazine is half hidden in the rifle with the other half exposed. While most of the PLA rifles magazines are fully exposed. With the trigger up high while the M16 or M4 carbines triggers are lower to allow the magizines to be burried or hidden in the rifle.
To answer you, though off topic:
The AK/Eastern designs' fully exposed magazine slots allow for drums. If you compare Eastern drums to the Beta-Cs, Eastern drums save a lot of materials and are more ergonomic-i.e. it won't get in the way of your hand reaching for and pressing the trigger. Not a big deal on prone, but when charging, or using a bullpup, it's a problem.
The AK/Eastern designs' fully exposed magazine slots allow for drums. If you compare Eastern drums to the Beta-Cs, Eastern drums save a lot of materials and are more ergonomic-i.e. it won't get in the way of your hand reaching for and pressing the trigger. Not a big deal on prone, but when charging, or using a bullpup, it's a problem.
Chengdu J-10
Junior Member
Is their any difference in performance between western magazine insertion into the rifle and eastern insertion to the rifle?
Western=Stick the magazine push in
Eastern=Rock n roll
Always been bothering me. Though the answer that always comes in my head is no. If no why doesn't the US us this kind of magazine insertion?
Western=Stick the magazine push in
Eastern=Rock n roll
Always been bothering me. Though the answer that always comes in my head is no. If no why doesn't the US us this kind of magazine insertion?
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I heard rumors say back in 2003 in Myanmar Chinese SOF from Chengdu Military Region went head-to-head with SFOD and those elite D-boys experienced heavy cansualties (~70 Deaths) and the whole operation failed miserably. Anyone has any info or confirmation? Personally I don't buy this story because Delta is always my favourite SOF in the world.
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You heard this from where exactly?
One of my friends who was Recon specialist in PLA SOF told me the rumor. But he wasn't 100% certain.